[WikiEN-l] Unacceptable behaviour

Tue Jul 22 09:25:44 UTC 2003

Robert,

You are correct. However misguided and offensive your "science" perspective
is; it has nothing to do with your being Jewish or having whatever opinions
you may have on Zionism, etc.  However you got trapped into having to defend
yourself is irrelevant.

They are picking on you and should stop. Anti-Semitism is indeed
unacceptable behaviour whatever excuse may be found for it.

I do wish you had picked someone besides Jules to straighten out though.
She's just about had it too.

Fred

> From: Robert <rkscience100 at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:21:11 -0700 (PDT)
> To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Unacceptable behaviour
> 
> Jules writes:
>> I looked at the last comments that RK said he removed
>> from his talk page.  Although the one from E of T was
>> a bit inflammatory, it seemed to be a response to one
>> of Roberts own "attacks" -- I infer a typically
>> one-sided and less than tactful comment he made about
>> someone else's work.  If my inference or
>> characterization are incorrect, I apologise.
> 
> Jules, I really wish you had made an effort to ascertain
> the truth; as it turns out, your idea is totally off base.
> In point of fact, I was writing comments about creationism,
> evolution, speciation, genetics and cooperating with others
> on classifying our Gaia theory articles. These are science
> issues.
> 
> I ask you: What kind of people see such mundane science
> discussions as appropriate for denunciations of my
> perceived views on the Israeki-Palestinian issue?
> 
> What kind of obsessed person thinks the appropriate
> response to a discussion on genetics is something like "But
> you Zionists should stop oppressing Palestinians".
> 
> Am I mistaken here? Is evolution now "anti-Arab"?  Is Gaia
> theory now pro-Zionist?   Come off it.  Let's talk about
> speciation and transitional fossils, as I was doing on
> Wikipedia.  Wait!  Doesn't this call for remarks about the
> Palestinians?
> 
> No. 
> 
> At least, not to someone who doesn't have a grudge against
> a Wikipedia contributor, because he is Jewish.
> 
> No matter what topic I write about, certain people simply
> ignore the topic, and drag the Zionists (i.e. the Jews)
> into this.  They are not trying to produce encyclopedia
> quality work; they are out to score points, hurt people,
> and make themselves feel "liberal".
> 
> 
>> The comment made by Pizza Puzzle may have been
> *personally* offensive to
>> Robert, but it is simply a statement of PP's own opinion
> on the
>> situation.  I may not be popular, but he is entitled to
> it.  
> 
> No, he is not entitled to keep harassing me on my own
> personal User page about his political views, especially
> when I am trying to work with others on some science
> articles.
> 
> 
>> Presumably user talk pages are meant to be places where
> we communicate with
>> each other in public -- so I don't see why there is a
> problem. 
> 
> So if you are white, then white-haters can taunt you
> repeatedly on your User page, and you won't have a problem
> with it?  
> 
> Zoe is gone due to similar harassment. A few of my other
> Jewish friends visited (teachers, PhD.s, etc.)...and left
> quickly, sensing a bit too much self-righteous left-wing
> animosity towards Jews. (And those same Jews were
> themselves rather left wing.)  They think I am nuts for
> staying here.
> 
> 
>> If RK doesn't like a comment, he can erase it -- as he
> did -- but 
>> it's a pain in the arse to have to look it up in the
> history. 
> 
> No, I can't! You totally missed the point. When I tried to
> erase the comment, I was slandered as an Arabophobe.
> 
> That, by the way, is untrue.  I happen to have lived for
> two years with a Muslim Arab from Morocco, and had Muslim
> Palestinian friends in graduate school, and I also happen
> to support Israeli political parties that are to the left
> of the current government.  I also have particiapted on
> numerous occasions with interfaith Muslim-Jewish prayer
> groups, and my synagogue is considered somewhat progressive
> for precisely this sort of thing.
> 
> I am, however, opposed to what the U.S. State Department
> condemns as Palestinian terrorism...and this last fact
> alone has caused me to be repeatedly slandered as a bigot,
> as a racist, etc. And no one on Wikipedia objects to these
> false characterizations of me.  But what this has to do
> with speciation, creationism and evolution, I'll never
> know!
> 
> It seems pretty clear to me that many people on Wikipedia
> do not care if one is pro-tolerance and pro-Arab or not.
> Facts don't matter one whit to one whose conclusions are
> based only in prejudice.  All that many Wikipedians care
> about is constant proving how evil the Zionist (read:
> "Jewish") position is, even if they haven't the slightest
> fucking idea what I actually do or believe.
> 
> 
>> But my disagreement is less that RK is phobic of Arabs,
> but instead 
>> is overly sensitive, perhaps even paranoid, about
> anything that isn't
>> vehemently pro-Israeli/pro-Zionist.
> 
> Sorry, Jules, but I disagree. GENETICS AND SPECIATION ARE
> NOT PRO-ZIONIST.  Sorry for shouting, please look at the
> topics I was working on, and compare them to the comments.
> Do you see any relation?  Of course not; there isn't one.
> People are lashing out at me simply because I am a Jew.
> That is not paranoia.  It is, however, unacceptable.
> 
> I thus ask you to reconsider your comments.
> 
> Robert (RK)
> 
> 
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