Micronation (was Re: [WikiEN-l] Question)

Tue Dec 9 04:57:00 UTC 2003

Meanwhile, what are bits like Monaco, the Vatican, Nauru, etc etc etc called?

Microstates?

Then what's the micro-term for the other meaning of nation, as in an ethno-cultural group?

John

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From: aridd <aridd at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Monday, December 8, 2003 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: Micronation (was Re: [WikiEN-l] Question)

> 
> Cunctator, that is the most widely accepted definition of a 
> micronation, yes. They're also referred to as "fifth world 
> nations". I'll bow out now. Thank you all for giving this some 
> thought.
> Kind regards,
> Adrian
> 
> 
> 
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> Message du 08/12/03 14:22
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> Objet : Micronation (was Re: [WikiEN-l] Question)
> On 12/8/03 7:06 AM, "sannse" wrote: > Jake wrote: > >> I find 
> people's use of "Micronation", especially as in the 
> [[Micronation]] >> article, terribly inconsistent- the only way 
> I've ever seen it used > outside >> of Wikipedia (Note the "I've 
> seen", don't list Google results of other > uses, >> I'm sure they 
> exist) is to refer to very small nations that actually exist >> 
> and have some degree of legal recognition (even if it's just that 
> they're >> islands outside any other nation's territory): 
> [[Sealand]], North Dumpling >> (Dean Kamen's island, near Long 
> Island- has a non-aggression pact with the >> US signed by then-
> President George H.W. Bush), and several dozen others. >> However, 
> many people seem to use the term to describe entirely fictional >> 
> entities with no territory. I would simply call these "Fantasy 
> nations", >> "Imaginary nations", or something like that, as the 
> prefix micro- makes no >> sense in that context. >> >> -- Jake > > 
> The [[micronations]] article makes a distinction between 
> "micronations" and > "microstates", but I've no idea if this is a 
> common way of using the words. > I've never come across the 
> concept before this, so am probably using it > wrong. The main 
> promoter in print of the term "micronation" to refer to small 
> nation-like groups without official recognition is this Wired 
> Magazine article from March 2000: 
> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.03/kingdoms.html Until a more 
> precise term comes along, one might as well call Talossa a 
> micronation. Micronations, also known as counternations and 
> ephemeral states, consist of one or more people united by the 
> desire to form and/or inhabit an independent country of their own 
> making. All micronations have governments, laws, and customs; the 
> main distinguishing factor is whether their citizens want to 
> establish a physical home country and seek international 
> recognition, or whether, as is the case with Talossa, they're 
> happy just to pretend. 
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