[WikiEN-l] Please stop lying about the content of my letters

Thu Aug 7 20:46:33 UTC 2003

I do find the whole argument tedious to follow.  The first paragraph of 
Stan's quote of Robert's complaints establishes only a lack of 
specificity in Robert's claim.  The article history and talk page for 
[[Israel]] doesn't help at all, and I really don't have the time to 
understand enough what is at the root of the argument to be helpful.   
The combattants ignore everybody's pleas to cool it.  Although I sense 
that Robert's attitude is the more strident, neither seems to know when 
to let go of the subject until he is the one with the last word.

We should insist that they both lay off the subject, failing which the 
sysop privileges of one or the other or both could be suspended until 
they get the message.

Eclecticology

Stan Shebs wrote:

> Robert wrote:
>
>> James Duffy, JTDIRL, has been causing problems on the
>> "State of Israel" article of late, because he refuses to
>> work with others in our Wikipedia peer-review. Instead of
>> working on the many Arab and Jewish refugee articles that
>> already exist, he keeps bypassing the peer-review by trying
>> to stuff his own biased statements into new articles.
>>
>> When I noted this, he made personal attacks on me as
>> promoting "censorship". This is a violation of Wikipedia
>> protocol. 
>
> You mean like this?
>
> "It is difficult to work with someone who repeatedly makes
> false claims, and who has a persecution complex."
>
> (In case you've forgotten, this is you writing about Anthere
> several weeks ago.)
>
> You'd have a lot more sympathy if you didn't have a long
> history of making nasty personal accusations about other
> people. You're lucky that Jimbo is an ultra-nice guy; if
> I were in charge, both you and Jtdir1 would have been
> permanently hard-banned months ago for ad hominem and
> abusive remarks to other people.
>
> It's OK to criticize an edit, and even to use nasty words
> in the criticism, but you cross the line when you start
> applying them to the people directly, and when you impute
> vicious motives to people you don't know at all.