[QA] Weekend testing americas on September 7th

Fri Aug 16 14:41:16 UTC 2013

This sounds like a great idea to me. The timing would certainly be tight
but I think with the VMs and Vagrant usage we should be good. I'll ping
Michael and see what he thinks.

Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:12:08 -0700

> From: Chris McMahon <cmcmahon at wikimedia.org>
> To: "QA (software quality assurance) for Wikimedia projects."
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> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Justin Rohrman <rohrmanj at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > Let's hear it :)
> >
>
> Here goes...
>
> There is a certain tension in the testing community between advocates for
> UI/browser test automation and advocates for human "sapient" testing.  I'd
> like to go there.
>
> Specifically, I'd like to do this with Weekend Testing:
>
> * Pick a complex feature for which browser test automation exists.  Right
> now I'm thinking CirrusSearch or VisualEditor.  Because we're using
> Cucumber, the test Scenarios should be understandable by people who are not
> programmers.  Because we're using the page_object Ruby gem, the guts of the
> tests should be readable by people with programming experience in just
> about any language.   Regardless of level of expertise, we should be able
> to provide everyone a local test environment from which to run the
> automated tests against WMF hosts either natively or with a VirtualBox VM
> configured via vagrant (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Vagrant). We have
> done this before:
>
> online: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-07-18
> live: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-06-27
>
> Given a robust set of automated browser tests and the ability to run them,
> let us then:
>
> * Identify deficiencies in the automated test coverage for the feature.
>  This may or may not include analysis of the test code itself, but would
> certainly at least include analysis of the ATDD-style stated feature
> coverage in the Cucumber Scenarios.  Do we have any technical debt in our
> test code?
>
> * Identify test charters for which automated testing is not possible and
> which are only testable by actual human beings.  Are there tests that
> cannot be automated, and is such testing worthwhile?
>
> Outcomes:
>
> * Participants will be able to analyze ATDD-style automated browser tests
> * Participants will be able to run Cucumber + page_object browser tests and
> analyze the results of those tests
> * Participants will be able to demonstrate automated browser test practices
> with examples from the open WMF browser test code
> * Participants will be able to begin to contribute to WMF testing efforts
> if they wish, whether automated or not
>
> This might be too ambitious.  I'm pretty sure this would be the most
> technically challenging session in the history of WTA.  OTOH, we've already
> built the infrastructure to do this kind of thing, let's spread the word
> about what is possible.
>
> -Chris
>
>
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> >> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:56:54 -0700
> >> From: Chris McMahon <cmcmahon at wikimedia.org>
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> >> I actually have an idea that I think would be of interest to WTA and of
> >> benefit to WMF, but I'd like to encourage others to reply first..
> >>
> >> -C
> >>
> >>
> >>
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