[Labs-l] open grid on bots

Wed Mar 13 06:59:01 UTC 2013

yes, it sounds - I have absolutely nothing against discussing and
documenting changes, that's what I require from others on bots project
as well

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Ryan Lane <rlane at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Petr Bena <benapetr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK, as I have already said on irc: as soon as I see a single volunteer
>> as sysadmin on tools labs, I will likely become less s(k)eptic. But
>> until then you can't expect me to take all my bots and jump into your
>> cluster permanently... I can do some tests there if you want, but I
>> will not move my bots to some cluster that, to me, appears to be
>> worse. (Not by design, but philosophy)
>>
>
> The tools project isn't meant to be only run by staff. The only reason tools
> was created was because we felt it would likely be better for bots and
> webtools to be a single project, hence the creation of tools.
>
> We are taking a philosophical change of direction in the tools project
> though. We're not allowing root by default. This was a similar goal we
> wanted in bots as well. I think we very much want to have volunteer roots,
> even at this point, but a requirement for that would be that any changes
> that occur on any instance must be discussed with Marc before they are
> implemented. He was hired to lead the project, which requires a certain
> amount of benevolent dictatorship.
>
> I'd very much like to not lose the effort that's been build in bots, since
> it's one of our oldest and best run projects. I'd very much like to see you
> guys work together to build a no-root-by-default version of the bots project
> together that's puppetized, automated and easy for end-users.
>
> Sound good?
>
> - Ryan
>
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