[Foundation-l] Stalking Article

Tue Jun 10 04:12:08 UTC 2008

Where I come from we shoot them. (The stalker that is, not the officer).

-Dan
On Jun 9, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:

> Well, I don't know if I have mentioned this before but there are  
> certain civil remedies that can be taken. First, when legal action  
> is filed, at least in California, you can have a peace officer serve  
> the summons. A officer at the door tends to make stalkers lose their  
> belief of invincibility. In addition, restraining orders can be  
> enforced by the person holding the order. It is a matter of filing a  
> contempt motion and is a pain, but it is effective.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Durova <nadezhda.durova at gmail.com>
> To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 5:07:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Stalking Article
>
> Even if you know who it is, even if you know where they are, if they
> haven't crossed the line into clearly criminal conduct then getting
> law enforcement to stop them may be difficult or impossible.  You can
> try a restraining order in some cases, or suing them, but that's not
> always useful either.
>
> ----
>
> Oh, it goes beyond that.  Even if the behavior has clearly crossed  
> the line
> into criminal conduct then getting law enforcement to stop them is  
> difficult
> to impossible.  In my lifetime I have stood in front of police  
> officers,
> restraining order in hand, and pointed to the precise lines that the  
> perp
> (who was standing ten feet away) was violating at that very moment  
> before
> the officers' eyes, and the officers refused to take the perp into  
> custody.
> That happened not once but repeatedly with different officers.  And  
> their
> chain of command supported them.  I have witnessed police refuse to  
> take a
> report for a direct death threat even when a restraining order was  
> already
> in place.  And after I did get police reports, the police misplaced  
> physical
> evidence repeatedly.  When I went to court with an armful of physical
> evidence, the prosecutor himself showed up at court having left the  
> entire
> case file behind on his desk, and cut a sweetheart deal with the  
> defense
> attorney while shutting me out.  I asked to speak to the prosecutor
> repeatedly, but was denied the opportunity until after the judge had  
> already
> ruled, at which point the prosecutor told me all my evidence was past
> history and might as well be thrown away.
>
> I did get that fellow behind bars, though.  And I did some things to  
> make
> sure that prosecutor's office never handled another case that  
> sloppily again
> (when it changes endorsements in the mayor's race they change their  
> tune).
>
> In short, I'm no noob and I'm no fool.  These last few months  
> several people
> have been telling me who Gavin de Becker is, as if I hadn't already  
> read
> "The Gift of Fear" years before I joined Wikipedia.  I don't  
> entirely agree
> with Mr. de Becker.  I see where he's coming from, but he and I have
> philosophical differences.  I also think Wikipedia is different  
> enough from
> the world of his usual clients that his approach requires  
> modification.
>
> -Durova
>
> -- 
> http://durova.blogspot.com/
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