[Foundation-l] Meta:MetaProject to Overhaul Meta

Thu Mar 30 14:49:06 UTC 2006

I was afraid this was going to happen. Apparently, what we have
here is a serious lack of understanding towards each other's
goals and now we're lowering ourselves to screaming at each
other.

I'm going to second David's proposal that we start a Meta2
or something similiar. Assume that we suddenly cause time
to stop and Meta to be placed in stasis. What is it that
people like David and I want?

1.) A usable work-wiki that included things that aren't
necessarily appropriate for storage on Wikipedia
(such as essays) but should be allowed to be placed
somewhere.

2.) No historical content about Wikimedia whatsoever.
That'll be the original Meta's baby and not Meta2.

3.) Faster process and community than Meta; keep Meta the
way it is, but give us our own Meta2 to play around with.

4.) It doesn't *need* to be named Meta2.

5.) Encourage Wikipedia users to start using it after the
basic policies and infrastructure are written; don't worry,
we can handle it.

6.) Strict[er than Meta] image policies.

If we can just have that, then I (and others) will probably
forget about the current Meta, and everyone can keep Meta
just the way it is and some other person can go ahead and
try to make heads and tails out of it. So... can we please
have this project?

--Alex

On 3/30/06, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com
<http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l>> wrote:
>* :If you don't want to make more people angry at you than you
*>* :already have, then I suggest you take a break from this discussion
*>* :right about now.
*>*
*>*
*>* Certainly. Have meta and enjoy it as a separate community increasingly
*>* unusable by any other, as is working so well for Commons, rather than
*>* the service project it purports to be; just stop representing it as
*>* such, because it simply isn't.
*>*
*>*
*>* - d.
*
David,

You can continue doing work on making Meta *more* usable. Nobody is
suggesting that Meta become less usable.

But:
*Stop making unwarranted accusations about what Meta is or isn't (ie.,
again, point me to a page etc. that's stopping people adding content
to Meta)
*Stop being a [[m:DICK]] - it's doing us no good whatsoever

Cormac

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