[Foundation-l] Re: foundation-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 12

Wed Apr 13 10:13:47 UTC 2005

PixelACHE 05 Stockholm Panel, April 12 2005
Finnish Embassy, Stockholm

Our own Anthère was on a panel of 4 speakers, on the topic of 
"Dot-org Boom": How internet organizations are taking their place alongside
journalists and experts. She spoke on the history and success of Wikipedia.

Judging by the comments, Wikipedia was definitely the star of the day. 
Attendance<http://gmail.google.com/gmail?view=att&disp=thd&attid=0.4&th=1033adf97eac808c>included
Lars Aronsson, the founder of "Project Runeberg" (the swedish
Project Gutenberg) and "susning.nu", a Swedish project similar to Wikipedia 
that had great success during 2001-2002 before the Swedish wiki started to 
pick up steam. 

The panel 
http://gmail.google.com/gmail?view=att&disp=inline&attid=0.8&th=1033adf97eac808cincluded
Naeem Mohaiemen
(from New York, London and Bangladesh) who spoke on a combination of 
participatory websites and art installations he has created to draw 
attention to the American muslim community and the gap between their 
perception in America and the reality.

There were thre more speakers:
Robert Stachel (Austria, topic:
community tv and radio), Kai Kuikkaniemi (Finland, topic:
digitalopenandfree.org <http://digitalopenandfree.org>), Juha Huuskonen 
(Finland, topic: electronic
subcultures). 

I think I can confidently say that Florence's talk was the best received and 
the most relevant to the audience, at the end of the day. She's an excellent 
speaker, by the way.

If there's interest I can write more about the 4 speeches.

Steve Rapaport

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> 1. TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds Wikinews logo (Erik 
> Moeller)
> 2. Re: Comment on Copyright Orphans (Ray Saintonge)
> 3. Re: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Expanding CheckUser permissions
> (David Gerard)
> 4. Re: TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds Wikinews logo 
> (Sj)
> 5. Re: TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds Wikinews logo 
> (Tim Starling)
> 6. Re: Re: TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds Wikinews logo 
> (Ray Saintonge)
> 7. Talking about stewards (Walter van Kalken)
> 8. Did I just violate the GFDL? (Richard Holton)
> 9. Re: Did I just violate the GFDL? (Erik Moeller)
> 10. Re: TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds Wikinews logo 
> (Angela)
> 11. Re: Did I just violate the GFDL? (Andre Engels)
> 
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:19:06 +0200
> From: Erik Moeller <erik_moeller at gmx.de>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds 
> Wikinews logo
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>,
> wikinews-l at wikimedia.org
> Message-ID: <425C030A.9040109 at gmx.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
> 
> Hi,
> 
> for the last couple of months, Wikinews and The World Forum
> (www.theworldforum.org <http://www.theworldforum.org>) have enjoyed a very 
> productive cooperation. TWF
> reposts Wikinews stories (allowing us to appear on the news.google.com<http://news.google.com>
> frontpage several times), and the editor, "Drog", has now also started
> submitting his own stories to Wikinews as public domain.
> 
> I've given Drog the go-ahead to link to Wikinews using our logo on the
> frontpage. I thought that given the recent discussions about logo
> copyright & licensing, it might be a good idea to report this here.
> 
> (On a related note, I feel that David Vasquez has done an excellent job
> refining the logo. It looks much more optimistic and welcoming than the
> logos of most news sites.)
> 
> All best,
> 
> Erik
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:41:11 -0700
> From: Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Comment on Copyright Orphans
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <425C1647.5040606 at telus.net>
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> 
> Yann Forget wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >Le Tuesday 12 April 2005 16:35, The Cunctator a écrit :
> >
> >
> >>We should be making an official comment on the issue of copyright 
> orphans
> >>now before the U.S. Copyright Office. The deadline is May 9.
> >>
> >>From http://www.copyright.gov/orphan/:
> >>
> >>
> >(...)
> >
> >
> >>This is clearly something the Wikimedia Foundation should officially 
> weigh
> >>in on.
> >>
> >>
> >I totally agree with this.
> >
> I already put my previous submissions into the mailing list. It's No.
> 697 in the records of the Copyright Office. All 714 submissions may be
> read as pdf files. Is there a way to do a text search for all those pdf
> files to see if any other submissions used the string "wiki"?
> 
> The current round of submissions is for responses to what has already
> been submitted. In the sampling that I have looked at there seems to be
> a very strong something-needs-to-be-done trend.
> 
> One observation that I have made about the submissions favouring the
> status quo is the emphasis on the rights of current authors, and seem
> not to mention the rights of the author's descendants at all. Having
> Life + 70 really doesn't do anything for the authors themselves. More
> ironic is their tendency to view proposed changes to the copyright
> regime as attempts by corporate interests to undermine the rights of
> authors and artists. It seems to me that the corporate interests have
> sold them a bill of goods.
> 
> Another important article to read from "Wired" is this by Julian
> Dibbell: http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/12.11/linux.html
> There is a lot for many of us to learn from what is going on in Brazil.
> 
> Ec
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:43:36 +1000
> From: David Gerard <fun at thingy.apana.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: [Wikipedia-l] Expanding CheckUser
> permissions
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>,
> wikipedia-l at wikimedia.org
> Message-ID: <20050412184336.GP23009 at thingy.apana.org.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Puddl Duk (puddlduk at gmail.com) [050413 02:36]:
> > On Apr 12, 2005 8:35 AM, David Gerard <fun at thingy.apana.org.au> wrote:
> 
> > > > ...invasion of privacy by potentially removing anonymity from the 
> use of
> > > > Wikipedia. Please let this tool be a last resort in serious cases.
> 
> > > Precisely. That's why anyone using it needs to have an awareness of 
> these
> > > issues and proceed with extreme caution.
> 
> > Guarantees of restraint from the current users of this feature are
> > fine, I'm sure that Tim and David are trustworthy, but that's the here
> > and now. The feature needs some built in oversight.
> 
> Those with access to it see all uses, ever. Tim has also made this list
> available to others.
> 
> > Users should be notified when CheckUser is run on them (something like
> > a message notice, that only they can see). Waerth noted that this
> > will cause some controversy with users when they see they have been
> > investigated, which is true. But this makes a good deterrent of abuse.
> > Anyone who runs it will have a damn good reason, knowing that they
> > may have to explain themselves. Also, many requests for sockpuppet
> > checks are public, so informing the users who were checked isn't any
> > different in these cases.
> 
> You're writing the code to do this, then?
> 
> > Waerth also notes on, meta, that 90% of the checks will be on innocent
> > users. If this is the case, then I have to question how solid the
> > reasoning is for checking those 90%.
> 
> One thing I've just asked on [[m:CheckUser]] is for ideas on what the
> criteria should be. As I noted, spurious allegations of sockpuppetry are 
> de
> rigeur on en: arbitration cases. One thing that frustrates me at present 
> is
> there are quite a few I think I should *maybe* look into but don't feel
> certain enough to because there isn't a clear case to hand.
> 
> > Finally, notifying a registered user when their identity is checked is
> > just a decent thing to do.
> 
> There is that. OTOH, when I was investigating the socks of the 'Baku Ibne'
> troll, I came across use of the same IPs by good users and checked their
> IPs as well. Now, should we be revealing too much information to them 
> about
> an ongoing investigation?
> 
> And also: any website will look through the logs in detail if they suspect
> abuse. The devs do this *all the time already*. And they *do not* notify
> anyone in particular. The key to this feature is not doing anything that
> isn't done already, it's giving access to a small subset of it to people
> who aren't actually Wikimedia system administrators, mostly so the system
> administrators can get on with running the site.
> 
> - d.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:32:26 -0700
> From: Sj <2.718281828 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org>adds Wikinews logo
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <742dfd0605041212321c49fd1e at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Yes, M. Vasquez managed to polish a vaguely worrisome logo into a
> world-class one. And with the wikinews skin redesign approaching...
> the *fully operational* wikistar will be beautiful as well.
> 
> SJ
> 
> > (On a related note, I feel that David Vasquez has done an excellent job
> > refining the logo. It looks much more optimistic and welcoming than the
> > logos of most news sites.)
> 
> Does anyone know of other uses of a globe icon rotated to that longitude?
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 05:55:10 +1000
> From: Tim Starling <t.starling at physics.unimelb.edu.au>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Re: TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org>adds Wikinews logo
> To: foundation-l at wikimedia.org
> Message-ID: <d3h8t4$9ke$1 at sea.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Sj wrote:
> > Does anyone know of other uses of a globe icon rotated to that 
> longitude?
> 
> An amusing example:
> 
> http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm
> 
> "Uncle Joe (Stalin), Churchill, and Roosevelt laid the master plan to
> bring in the New Age under the United Nations," Johnson discloses with
> confidence. "The world ruling power was to be right here in this
> country. After the war, the world would be declared flat and Roosevelt
> would be elected first president of the world. When the UN Charter was
> drafted in San Francisco, they took the flat-earth map as their symbol."
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:30:36 -0700
> From: Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: TheWorldForum.org<http://TheWorldForum.org>adds Wikinews logo
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <425C2FEC.8030504 at telus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> 
> Tim Starling wrote:
> 
> >Sj wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Does anyone know of other uses of a globe icon rotated to that 
> longitude?
> >>
> >>
> >An amusing example:
> >
> >http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm
> >
> >"Uncle Joe (Stalin), Churchill, and Roosevelt laid the master plan to
> >bring in the New Age under the United Nations," Johnson discloses with
> >confidence. "The world ruling power was to be right here in this
> >country. After the war, the world would be declared flat and Roosevelt
> >would be elected first president of the world. When the UN Charter was
> >drafted in San Francisco, they took the flat-earth map as their symbol."
> >
> LBJ could only wish so much.
> 
> Some of his successors still believe that they have been elected leaders
> of the free world.
> 
> Ec
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:42:40 +0700
> From: Walter van Kalken <walter at vankalken.net>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Talking about stewards
> To: wikipedia-l at Wikimedia.org, Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <425C6B00.2010405 at vankalken.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> 
> With all the talk about stewards ...... I thought the stewardcollection
> would be expanded in March? Either through election or by Jimbo's choice?
> 
> Waerth/Walter
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:45:34 -0500
> From: Richard Holton <richholton at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Did I just violate the GFDL?
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <4a37983b0504122045749fab74 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I just copied the contents of [[template:inuse]] from en:wikipedia to
> meta, to a page of the same name. Do I also need to copy the edit
> history? Or do I need to link back to the en page? Or just mention
> that it came from the en wikipedia?
> 
> Should I sleep with my boots on in case the GFDL police come beating on my 
> door?
> 
> --Rich Holton
> 
> [[W:en:User:Rholton]]
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:13:44 +0200
> From: Erik Moeller <erik_moeller at gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Did I just violate the GFDL?
> To: Richard Holton <richholton at gmail.com>, Wikimedia Foundation
> Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <425C9C78.8010007 at gmx.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> A link in the edit summary
> GFDL, copied from http://__.wikipedia.org/wiki/____
> should be sufficient in cases where display of the notice in the body is
> clearly impractical.
> 
> Erik
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:40:09 +0200
> From: Angela <beesley at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org>adds Wikinews logo
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <8b722b80050412234028ab80c1 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> On 4/12/05, Erik Moeller <erik_moeller at gmx.de> wrote:
> > I've given Drog the go-ahead to link to Wikinews using our logo on the
> > frontpage.
> 
> http://www.theworldforum.org/
> 
> World Forum is not just using the logo. It is also claiming to be "In
> Association With Wikinews", which implies a lot more than simply
> making use of our content.
> 
> The logo appears directly underneath a "Visit our advertisers" notice.
> This needs to be removed to prevent people being misled into thinking
> that their donations to the Foundation are being wasted on paying for
> advertising on such sites.
> 
> Something stating that _some_ content is from Wikinews would be more
> appropriate. At the moment, the Wikinews logo appears more prominently
> than the site's own logo, giving the impression that Wikinews has far
> more influence over the site than it does.
> 
> Angela.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:19:23 +0200
> From: Andre Engels <andreengels at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Did I just violate the GFDL?
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <6faf39c9050413011943a43041 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> On 4/13/05, Erik Moeller <erik_moeller at gmx.de> wrote:
> > A link in the edit summary
> > GFDL, copied from http://__.wikipedia.org/wiki/____
> > should be sufficient in cases where display of the notice in the body is
> > clearly impractical.
> 
> Better would be to give the usernames of the main authors as well.
> 
> Andre Engels
> 
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