The usual practice on wikimedia projects is to allow local hosting of images on projects provided there's a fair use policy. So I would say that images not migrated to Commons would have to be hosted locally on the wikis they are used on. It would be a bit weird to retain a Shared for simply one of the Wikimedia projects. Snowolf On 30/10/2012 08:38, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:

Yaroslav M. Blanter, 30/10/2012 13:13: There's no reason why they should. Files not migrated to Commons could just be imported on the biggest language version; the other projects and especially new ones could waste time on non-free media later if they wish so. Nemo

Yaroslav M. Blanter, 30/10/2012 13:35: Then they'll need to set up an EDP before such non-free images are imported locally, automatically or otherwise. (My personal opinion, shared by some, is also that local upload should be completely disabled unless there's an EDP. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Local_uploads_policy ) Nemo

Yaroslav M. Blanter, 30/10/2012 13:55: I would have expected everyone to assume that non-free files would just have been unavailable as soon as the project got hosted by WMF. Are you saying it was the opposite? Nemo

For your information, English Wikivoyage has the following (provisional) policy: http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/WMF_Migration/New_policies/Non-free_conte… The main question is where to store the "fair-use" files. And how to share them between different language versions. -Alexander

Certainly not. I wrote it completely from scratch, using existing EDPs only as a guide. Clearly you didn't even look at the English Wikipedia's policy, if you think they resemble each other in any way. Discussion is at http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/WMF_Migration/New_policies#Non-free_conten t The copyright tag is a redlink because the policy was written on Wikivoyage General, the centralized discussion wiki, rather than on the English Wikivoyage (which was still being imported at the time). Agreed. There's a page on Commons that has some discussion on importing issues (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikitravel_Shared_transfer_task_ force), and some of us have started work on getting files imported and/or tagged (http://wts.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges). Needless to say, its an enormous task and we could use any help we can get. Powers &8^]

Quick general notes: We're not planning to set up wikis for "shared", "wts", "assoc" or "general" on the WMF side of things. 1) WV e.V. is going to keep the old sites available in read-only mode under an alternative URL for at least a month or so, so there'll be time to fix stuff that's broken or missing post-switchover. WV e.V. continues as an independent nonprofit organization and will continue to host the wiki for association purposes ( http://www.wikivoyage.org/assoc/Hauptseite ). 2) Wikimedia projects have a single media repository for freely licensed files, Wikimedia Commons. Correctly licensed files on "shared"/"wts" should be transferred to Commons. This is a process that's best organized by the community as licenses have to be vetted, templates adapted, etc. If a file is uploaded to Commons under the same name under which it was previously uploaded to WV, then it should "just work". If it needs to be renamed to avoid naming conflicts on Commons, then pointers to it will have to change as well. As has been noted, non-free media can only be uploaded locally, and only if a wiki has an "exemption doctrine policy" as per the WMF licensing policy: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/EDP 3) The "general" wiki does not contain a lot of pages as far as I can tell. We have a single "meta-wiki" in Wikimedia ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/ ) and to the extent there are cross-language pages that affect a specific project, they're typically organized via subpages, like so: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikibooks/Logo and/or via categories. So I'd recommend just copying the few pages that are there over to Meta manually with proper attribution. All best, Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:16 AM, Powers <LtPowers_Wiki(a)rochester.rr.com> wrote: It is, thanks to helpful Wikimedians like Magog the Ogre. ;-) See the discussion here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Magog_the_Ogre#We_could_need_s… And this example file with imported file history: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgia_regions_map2_%28ru%29.png Yeah, I think that's fine, but a good question to raise on the migration talk page. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Wikitravel_Shared_transfer_… I suspect that the best approach here is to add a standard template to each of the file description pages that clarifies the origin. Formal WMF approval is not required. I suggest linking the policy from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-free_content and sending a quick note to wikimedia-l when you've got a draft ready for broader community input. Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate