I see some unsupported messages among the many
supportive. For sure there
is a long way ahead. The idea of wikiversity is important to all of us and
needs everybody's contribution to grow. Wikiversity would be able to
connect all the sciences to provide a much better situation of human kind
hopefully.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Brian Salter-Duke <b_duke(a)bigpond.net.au
Look you two guys - cut it out. I now recall your
battles on wikiversity
a few years back. You pissed a lot of people off then, including me, and
you are most likely pissing off a lot of people here. In that regard,
there is nothing to chose between you. Please just stop. It is not
productive.
Bduke
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 01:25:20AM -0500, Jeffrey Peters wrote:
"Cold fusion is a mystery, as to how it
works, but we know what it does,
the original discovered effect converts deuterium to helium, the
evidence
for this is already overwhelming. I know the
experimental evidence, and
I
know the scientists who did that published work,
and it has some obvious
implications, but .. that's not a "belief."
"
It always goes back to that. He rants and raves, and always comes back
to
his obsession. Abd hates anyone who points out
that his obsession is
false,
and it is obvious that Abd has an agenda to make
money off of his
obsession.
Wonderful guy.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <
abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>wroteote:
> Essentially, if we assume that he is sane, the man lies.
>
> Shortly before he sent this mail, he deleted a comment of mine from
his
> talk page, in which I pointed out that what
he told another
Wikiversity
> user about me.
>
https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ottava_Rima&diff…
>
> In that comment, I pointed to the actual Wikipedia ban discussion, the
> close of which does not mention pushing fringe beliefs. Nor was that
> mentioned in the close of my previous cold fusion topic ban. The cause
> stated there was my request for a removal of a web site that hosts
legal
> preprints of cold fusion research papers
from the global blacklist.
That
> request had began very simply, but when the
WP admin who had
originally
> requested the blacklisting raised all the
old, rejected arguments (he
had
> been reprimanded by ArbComm for his admin
actions around this), I then
> explained, and that was considered a "wall of text." I was topic
banned on
> Wikipedia as a result. And then, because
what I'd written was
convincing,
> the blacklisting was lifted.
>
> But all the old charges came out in the ban discussion, as if they
had all
> been confirmed, they were simply stated as
fact, and Wikipedians do
not
> research disputes, they simply react. It was
claimed that I'd
violated an
> ArbComm sanction by socking. No, I was under
no ArbComm sanction, the
topic
> ban was a "community ban,"
resulting from that meta action.
"Violating an
> ArbComm sanction" was then repeated by
many !voting for ban as cause.
>
> Wikipedia does dumb stuff like this all the time! I found that when I
took
> the place seriously, I'd quickly become
"obsessed." I concluded the
place
> was utterly unreliable, not a place to do
any serious work with
anything
> remotely controversial.
>
> As to "trying to profit" by selling "information packages" to
people,. I
> have a COI notice on the Wikiversity Cold
fusion resource page. I'm
not
> selling information or information packages,
I'm selling physical
materials
> that can be used to replicate certain
interesting experiments, in
> particular one that appears, from peer reviewed journal publications,
to
> produce a few neutrons. I've sold one
set of materials to a teenager
who
> did run the experiment. Great kid. He's
in a documentary on cold
fusion as
This
> kid is having serious fun.
>
> Not a great movie, unfortunately.
>
> I do not sell any information or information packages, just a vial of
> heavy water electrolyte with palladium and lithium chloride in it,
and a
> plastic cell with gold and platinum wire
electrodes, plus some solid
state
> nuclear track detectors.
>
> I've invested about $5000 in materials and equipment (to do my own
> experiments at some point), and I've collected about $400 from that
sale
> and sales of the radiation detectors. I did
not do this to profit.
>
> I don't recruit people on the wiki to cold fusion, rather I recruit
people
> interested in cold fusion to study and work
on the related Wikiversity
> resource, and that resource is being used to collect materials and
study
> the topic. I invite skeptics, *especially*.
>
> I just incorporated Infusion Institute, Inc., in Massachusetts, to
> facilitate replication, under the strictest of protocols designed to
> address all skeptical objections, of work that is already generally
> confirmed and accepted in the peer reviewed literature, for up to
twenty
> years. the goal is increased precision. I
have an excellent Board of
> Directors, and the support of many scientists. This is real science,
and
> we'll be raising some real money, to
make happen what should have
happened
> twenty years ago: definitive testing instead
of argument from theory.
>
> The rejection of cold fusion is what is known to sociologists as a
> "cascade," a phenomenon that has nothing to do with science and
everything
> to do with social process. Both U.S.
Department of Energy reviews
> recommended further research, and funding under existing programs,
which
> never happened through the DoE. The 2004
review came close to
concluding
> that evidence for the effect was conclusive.
They essentially wanted
to see
> more research.
>
> I never challenged the designation of cold fusion on Wikipedia as
"fringe
> science," but it did, in fact, pass on
to "emerging science" roughly
ten
> years ago.
>
> What I did do on Wikipedia was to challenge administrative abuse. And
I
> was sustained, my major sin there. That and
my habit of detailed
> discussion. Wikipedia's design requires consensus, because that is
the
only
> objective standard for neutrality, but then
the actual community is
> intolerant of what consensus requires: lots of discussion, often
> facilitation is required, because most people don't know how to
actually
> resolve disagreements.
>
> My stand on cold fusion is not a "belief." Science is not based on
> belief, but on experimental evidence and the scientific method.
>
> Cold fusion is a mystery, as to how it works, but we know what it
does,
> the original discovered effect converts
deuterium to helium, the
evidence
> for this is already overwhelming. I know the
experimental evidence,
and I
> know the scientists who did that published
work, and it has some
obvious
> implications, but .. that's not a
"belief."
>
> It's a conclusion from *direct evidence,* widely confirmed, with no
> contrary evidence. And the conclusion could still be wrong. I'd set
the
> odds, though, at more than a million to
one.
>
> And none of this has to do with what Ottava did here, attempt to drive
> away someone interested in contributing to Wikiversity, because of his
> personal opinions and reactions and beliefs about what is Right. His
effect
> on Wikiversity was highly disruptive and
destructive. He attempted to
have
> every bureaucrat removed, and much, much
more.
>
> This is what he's always done: attack anyone who interferes with his
> attempt to rule the wikis, with a farrago of lies.
>
> Ottava Rex, give it up. You lost it. You've long been encouraged to
focus
on your
field, complete your doctorate. Did you?
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax (413) 584-3151 business (413) 695-7114 cell
I'm so excited I can't wait for Now.
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*From:* Jeffrey Peters <17peters(a)cardinalmail.cua.edu>
*To:* Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:58 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Abd, you are one to talk. You were banned from en.wikipedia for
pushing
> fringe beliefs on Cold Fusion and it turns
out that you are trying to
> profit by selling your "information packages" to people.
>
> Why do you people insist on using Wikiversity to profit? It is not
your
> personal play ground to use to recruit
people to your outside groups.
>
>
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