On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:33:18PM +0100, tarquin wrote: That's nicer, but it won't work in non-css browsers like most text browsers. Any idea of doing it in a way that's both sane and text-browser-compatible ?

Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote: There is no such way. <blockquote> would work, but you're not _supposed_ to use it for indentation of things that aren't quotes.

On Thursday 07 August 2003 12:15, Brion Vibber wrote: The 4.01 standard says 'The usage of BLOCKQUOTE to indent text is deprecated in favor of style sheets.' "Deprecated" doesn't mean "you can't do that", it's closer to "avoid doing that if possible, and if you go to a later standard, be ready to not be able to do it". But the doctype line at the top of Wikipedia's pages doesn't say "the latest standard", it says "HTML 4.01 Transitional", and HTML 4.01 transitional says "you can do it if you really want to". And since we appear to be stuck on supporting browsers that can't keep up with 5-7 year old standards, it would appear we "really want to".

But do text browsers actually indent blockquotes,

or do they use colour to distinguish them such as they do for B, I, EM and STRONG?

I think some graphic browsers Italicize a blockquote,

and some screen readers might change voice.

Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote: Text indent is presentational, not structural. So it could be argued that it's correct for text-only and non-CSS browsers not to show it. having said that, we *need* it for talk pages, otherwise it is hard to follow the lines of conversation.

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 lists(a)dramatic.co.nz wrote: otherwise it is hard to talk pages even with Not to worry -- the lines of reasoning are often equally difficult to follow... ;) -- brion