Timwi wrote: Touché. I thought that deleting the subject and body didn't leave anything; oops. -- Mikhail / http://MikeCapone.blogspot.com

On Mar 20, 2004, at 10:45, Ray Saintonge wrote: Gwicke is working on a new design, based vaguely on the layout for Plone: http://wiki.aulinx.de/Main_Page Please comment! -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

Brion Vibber wrote: Pretty, and it will deal with Mikhail's concern. I do, nevertheless, find that the print in the top banner could be 1 point bigger. The black on orange is a little difficult to see. Ec

Brion Vibber wrote: Nice! It still needs some color and font size tweaking, and I can't seem to easily find "my watchlist", but it seems like a very useable and readable layout. I'd also enjoy - and consider using as default - the _Cologne Blue_ theme if there was a way to make the "quickbar" into a frame/floating/fixed space (sorry for the lack of correct terminology). I wish I had HTML/CSS skills and could propose a "patch", but alas... -- Mikhail / http://MikeCapone.blogspot.com

Brion Vibber wrote: [...] Very nice. When will this be released?

Timwi &lt;timwi(a)gmx.net&gt; writes: Writers are volunteers - so what's your point? Many a lot writers (and readers) depend on the system. The system isn't there to make (some) developers happy instantly. Widen your view! These days it takes years until a new Emacs version will hit the shelves. Do you know how often Knuth updates his system? Only little children and children of the beat generation want to have all things NOW - later on, you may recognize time is not linear. Sure, fixing bugs is important and must done as fast as possibile. I'm still hoping someone sees my point. -- | ,__o | _-\_<, http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | (*)/'(*)

Timwi wrote: I admit that I had never considered that requiring a little patience was an act of cruelty to developers. :-) The rate at which software changes are applied should probably depend on the nature of the change. Changes that have a high impact on the way that most of us non-techies do things should be made permanent only after the most careful consideration of the human engineering aspects. Other, changes that operate mostly in the background can probably be implemented more quickly. People can be very uncomfortable with sudden changes. The recent sudden appearance of suggested details in the edit summary box may have been technologically very simple, but reactions need to be anticipated when the broad population of users unexpectedly run into such changes. Ec