Summary: Chris McMahon is following up on improving Labs as a testing environment, improving continuous integration, and learning from how mobile gets and uses bug reports. Alolita and I are gathering data about how our engineering teams currently take in bug reports from lots of communication media. A few of us just had a chat about some upcoming efforts to engage our community in systematic testing (QA) efforts -- see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Cmcmahon#Community_Testing.2FQA and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_QA/Spec for the conversation-starter. I figured some folks on this list would be interested in some plans, ideas, and questions coming out of that. A non-comprehensive summary: * Chris thinks his biggest priority, to improve MediaWiki's testability overall, is to ensure Labs is a stable, robust, and consistent environment so it's reasonable to point a firehose of testing at the beta deployment cluster <http://labs.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/> . Unless we ensure a consistent and clean environment, most of the bug reports will be the result of environment problems instead of the MediaWiki bugs we want to find. So that's what he's focusing most of his time on. (This limits the time he has available for manual testing of individual features, but he also makes time to work on editor engagement, Timed Media Handler testing, and a limited number of other key projects.) Of course automated testing is also key, so Chris is working with Antoine on deploying from Jenkins to the beta cluster -- see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/testing and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:Continuous_integration/also_depl… . * Our mobile team has a pretty stable, if time-intensive, system set up to get tests of its apps. They release a new version of their app every 2 weeks. Several days beforehand, they release a beta. They email mobile-l, tweet, etc. to raise awareness, but the best way to actually get testers is to personalize the boilerplate email and send it personally to each of about 20 people who've shown interest in testing. It takes a few minutes to send those emails, and then 12-15 hours to respond to the feedback and dig into problems. Feedback and conversation usually comes from about 5 people out of that 20, and happens in IRC (so, it's not as easy to delegate, do asynchronously, point other people to, etc.). The mobile team also tries to cover some other feedback channels: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/Mobile_feedback_avenues Yuvi works on this 100% every release cycle, so it doesn't scale -- they couldn't really handle more testers if they came. Chris likes that the mobile team is clear and specific in directing its testers on what to test, and has reasonable constraints on time, number of testers, and test environment. For the next mobile release cycle (starting on April 6th) Chris will shadow Yuvi to see what he does and to start helping out. * The internationalisation/localisation team gets feedback (including bug reports and feature requests) through various channels (IRC, Village Pumps, Bugzilla, private email, Twitter, mailing lists, etc.), and it's time-intensive to gather, aggregate, triage, curate, and respond to it. Alolita is following up with the i18n team to get more details on that process -- how do they source feedback? Where do they get it, how do they aggregate it, and how much time does it take? I'll be following up with product managers to get similar step-by-step guides from other projects. That way we can figure out how much time it's taking, how to split up that workload among product managers and QA, and whether we can get some quick wins in systematizing this process and doing it smarter. (Separately from the feedback *aggregation* effort, various folks are investigating feedback *mechanisms* integrated into user-facing things. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MoodBar/Feedback for some thoughts on this.) * We really need help curating Bugzilla. Mark's Bug Squads can't come soon enough! :-) And we aim to grow testing leaders in the community. So if you're interested in stepping up and going from nitpicker to LEADER of nitpickers, we have some tasks ready for you. :D * Mozilla has a regular testing event https://quality.mozilla.org/category/events/month and lists bugs in an etherpad as they're reported: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/testday-20120329 . Time-limited test efforts like that are nice; if you can't constrain the number of channels people use to report things, you can at least constrain *time* and thus the amount of flow that comes through, so you can actually follow up more effectively! Chris doesn't think we quite have the social and technical infrastructure in place to properly support a testing event like this yet, but that's a goal. Thanks to Tomasz, Yuvi, Alolita, and Chris for contributing to this discussion. Additional reading: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/It_boots_ship_it -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation