Ah, well, that makes sense then. It seems a strange user interface design, then, to give me an edit box that I can't edit. I had never encountered one of those. (Because I don't edit much, and because I am a sysop of course on en: which is where I do edit.) Doesn't it astonish people (in a bad way) to have an edit box that they can't edit? Anyhow, could someone remove that number? 310-474-3223 is a good number for now. Marco Krohn wrote:

On Mar 3, 2004, at 05:08, Jimmy Wales wrote: People bitched and moaned for years that it was impossible to get at the wikisource for a protected page unless you were a sysop (or downloaded the entire backup dump). A read-only text box with a prominent note that the page is protected and read-only seems to do the job. There's no "edit page" link, just a "view source" link. The page header says "view source" and tells you "You can view and copy the source of this page:" It's pretty clear, unless you're messing around in a language you don't understand, in which case nothing's going to make much sense. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

JW> O.k., this explanation makes sense. It's a tradeoff. JW> Generally speaking, people ought not be editing in languages JW> they can't read anyway. I wouldn't normally, except that I JW> just wanted to change that phone number. I wonder if we should have a "view source" for all pages, that just serves the Wiki text for the page, unformatted -- not as HTML. ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou <evan(a)wikitravel.org> Wikitravel - http://www.wikitravel.org/ The free, complete, up-to-date and reliable world-wide travel guide

Brion Vibber wrote: The pywikipediabot uses Special:Export whenever it can download more than one page at a time. Sometimes, however, there are characters in pages or usernames which are not decodable in the right character set; in such a case the XML produced by this option is unparsable (according to the standard, any XML compliant parser has to generate a fatal error upon such an event). Unless that is fixed, the "export" via the "edit" option, even for a locked page, is necessary for a complete robot run to succeed. Rob -- Rob W.W. Hooft || rob(a)hooft.net || http://www.hooft.net/people/rob/

Brion Vibber wrote: The line endings are not so important; these are invisible. What is more annoying is pages that are made by a user whose name is given using non-utf, non-ascii characters: ====================== import wikipedia ar = [ wikipedia.PageLink('ca','Lept%C3%B3'), ] ga = wikipedia.GetAll('ca',ar) ga.run() for pl in ar: try: print len(pl._contents) except AttributeError: print -1 ======================== Gives: Dumped invalid XML to sax_parse_bug.dat Traceback (most recent call last): File "x.py", line 7, in ? ga.run() File "/usr/local/home/rob/p/pywikipedia/wikipedia.py", line 583, in run xml.sax.parseString(data, handler) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/xml/sax/__init__.py", line 49, in parseString parser.parse(inpsrc) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/xml/sax/expatreader.py", line 107, in parse xmlreader.IncrementalParser.parse(self, source) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/xml/sax/xmlreader.py", line 123, in parse self.feed(buffer) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/xml/sax/expatreader.py", line 211, in feed self._err_handler.fatalError(exc) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/xml/sax/handler.py", line 38, in fatalError raise exception xml.sax._exceptions.SAXParseException: <unknown>:7:25: not well-formed (invalid token) And line 7 is encoded in iso-8859-1 and therefore contains invalid utf-8 references: <contributor><ip>Plàcid Pérez Bru</ip></contributor> I don't know whether this is the only problem that occurs, but it is the only one I can find now in my last log file. Rob -- Rob W.W. Hooft || rob(a)hooft.net || http://www.hooft.net/people/rob/