Yes, the final event will be immediate, but there is some careful timing and coordination needed. For example, shortly before the switchover, we'll have to make the wiki read-only, then copy over any recently-uploaded images. Also, the version of the software now on larousse requires a minor database update (salted user passwords), so that will have to be done while Apache serves a static page or something (or else we can downgrade the software and do that change later--but I'd rather keep all te live software in sync with CVS). At any rate, just pick a convenient low-traffic time, and Brion and I will arrange to both be available. -- Lee Daniel Crocker &lt;lee(a)piclab.com&gt; <http://www.piclab.com/lee/> "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC

I'd really rather not do that. The setup on Pliny has become crufty and hard to maintain. I went out of my way to install the software on Larousse in a cleaner, simpler layout. Transfer of the English wiki should be simple and quick, and will get rid of much of the server load. Each of the remaining ones can be transferred on at a time, using DNS, which will be fine because they can run on both servers while the DNS propogates without any problem (that probably wouldn't work as well for the English one). -- Lee Daniel Crocker &lt;lee(a)piclab.com&gt; <http://www.piclab.com/lee/> "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC

You're right--switching IPs means we have to pre-install all the international wikis on Larousse. That would require leaving them read-only for probably a longer period of time than we'd like. That's probably simpler. -- Lee Daniel Crocker &lt;lee(a)piclab.com&gt; <http://www.piclab.com/lee/> "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC

On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 00:57, Jason Richey wrote: Cool... There's a period of lighter traffic on the English wiki about 4:00-13:00 UTC, lowest point at 10:00 (3am here in sunny California). Ironically this is when the European traffic peaks. ;) It might be best to make the switch around 4:00-5:00 (11pm-midnight pacific), giving us a few extra hours of lighter traffic to work with if we screw things up. When it comes time to move the euro wikis, there's virtual dead time from about midnight-5:00 am (5-10pm pacific time). See exciting graphs: http://www.wikipedia.org/stats/hourly_usage_200305.png http://de.wikipedia.org/stats/hourly_usage_200305.png If there's no objection, how about we plan to switch www.wikipedia.org to larousse tomorrow (tuesday night/wednesday morning)? -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

Okay... So I'm looking at changing the DNS at 11:00 pm PDT tonight, right? I'm just supposed to change anything that is pointing to 130.94.122.197 (except pliny.wikipedia.org) to point to 130.94.122.199, right? Jason Brion Vibber wrote: -- "Jason C. Richey" &lt;jasonr(a)bomis.com&gt;

On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 09:57, Jason Richey wrote: Sounds good. Just changing www.wikipedia.org (and perhaps en.wikipedia.org) should do it. All the other languages will continue to sit on pliny for a couple more days so if we have to backpedal the impact is minimized. :) The by-default entry can stay at .197 for now, since anything going to the English wiki on purpose should either be www., en., or a redirect. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)