Tell the users to complain to Apple? .. Bring up anti-competitive lawsuits against apple? Buy a Mobil device that is less locked down? There is no easy solution when the platform is a walled garden. There are two paths towards supporting html5 video in mobile platforms. 1) getting things working within the provided web browser platform or 2) running your own browser software as an application (we only should consider a normal phone obviously on a jail-broken device you can do lots of things...  but that greatly reduces the possibility of wide deployment) I was looking at this situation for the iPhone and Android based phones. I think android based phones have a better shot at supporting ogg theora html5 video in the near term. In the long term the market will drive the devices to support ogg or not. iPhone 1) The internals of the quicktime/media system for the iPhone are not very exposed nor do they appear to be very extendable. 2) The Apple SDK agreement forbids virtual machines of any kind. This effectively makes competing web browsers illegal. Android / HTC phones: 1) I would hope google/android would ship theora/html5 support since theora will be supported in their desktop webkit based chrome browser. I think it would be relatively easy for a given android based phone distributer to support ogg once webkit on android supports html5 video. 2) Android recently added native code exposure: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/06/introducing-android-15-ndk-r… I wonder if this could be a path for a port of Firefox or a custom version of the open source webkit browser on android? --michael David Gerard wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l