It seems very clumsy to have the "binomial" subdomains, as in roa-rup: (which now has its own ISO code, rup), fiu-vro:... so I think it's best to search for possible alternatives. Samogitian and Banyumasan may not have good alternatives, but I would imagine that there's an ISO/DIS 639-3 code for Riparian, which I hope we could use.

Well since people are being so fussy, but there is no reason to be because if people only knew the cultural point and the details about DLS they'd know it's necessary. People agree there should be one but other don't (which are supprisingly people who are not gonna participate and don't know DLS nor do they speak Dutch or German Low Saxon) I have given up on this wiki, it's REALLY irritating, I'm sick of answering dumb questions from non-native speaker who vote against the wiki for "problems" which can be solved by letting the community decide on the writing system. People who want to start another dialect Nds wiki, which I really don't recommend, are gonna have a hard time. Same really goes for any wiki! Servien 2005/10/8, Arbeo M <arbeo_m(a)yahoo.de>de>:

BTW: looked up the word "consensus", it says: "a generally accepted opinion or decision among a group of people". This of course meaning the MAJority's vote is accepted and not the MINority.... Serv

2005/10/8, Servien Ilaino <servien(a)gmail.com>om>: > Please let me know if I should continue with this almost impossible > battle or if I should just stop here and just let the project go. I > initially requested the wiki for people in the Netherlands to be able > to write in their own language, since nds is far from even being > comprehensible with DLS, and since most/if not all DLS dialects are > mutually comprehensible I decided to create a nds wiki with a Dutch > orientated writing style and grammar (which most/if not all DLS > dialects have). If people only want a German version of this than > that's fine (discrimination; but who cares) but personally I'd like to > see a Dutch version of this as well. > > Servien > > > 2005/10/8, Servien Ilaino <servien(a)gmail.com>om>: > >> Well since people are being so fussy, but there is no reason to be >> because if people only knew the cultural point and the details about >> DLS they'd know it's necessary. People agree there should be one but >> other don't (which are supprisingly people who are not gonna >> participate and don't know DLS nor do they speak Dutch or German Low >> Saxon) I have given up on this wiki, it's REALLY irritating, I'm sick >> of answering dumb questions from non-native speaker who vote against >> the wiki for "problems" which can be solved by letting the community >> decide on the writing system. People who want to start another dialect >> Nds wiki, which I really don't recommend, are gonna have a hard time. >> Same really goes for any wiki! >> >> Servien >> >> 2005/10/8, Arbeo M <arbeo_m(a)yahoo.de>de>: >> >>> --- Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> schrieb: >>> >>> >>>> It seems very clumsy to have the "binomial" >>>> subdomains, as in roa-rup: >>>> (which now has its own ISO code, rup), fiu-vro:... >>>> so I think it's >>>> best to search for possible alternatives. Samogitian >>>> and Banyumasan >>>> may not have good alternatives, but I would imagine >>>> that there's an >>>> ISO/DIS 639-3 code for Riparian, which I hope we >>>> could use. >>>> >>>> >>> Good point, the binomal codes are very clumsy indeed >>> and most people not familiar with the standard they >>> are based upon will probably wonder why're choosing >>> them. >>> >>> A possible alternative has just crossed my mind: why >>> not use four-lettered codes for languages that don't >>> have an iso code (yet)? That would allow us to pick >>> abbreviations that users can memorize more easily >>> while not interfering with any existing or potential >>> future iso codes. (e. g. "samo" for Samogitian, "bany" >>> or maybe "wjav" - to include all Western Javanese >>> dialects - for Banyumsan, "ripu" for Ripuarian and so >>> forth) >>> >>> Arbeo

The reason I didn't create these when I created ilo is: * Samogitian, Banyumasan, Ripuarian, Dutch-Low Saxon: Don't have an ISO code (nds-nl claims to have one but that looks like a pseudo-ISO-code) * Banyumasan, Ripuarian are dialects according to Wikipedia, Dutch-Low Saxon appears to be some kind of dialect as well.

The problem with Low Saxon is that some people have high jacked the Low Saxon Wikipedia by insisting on a German dominated orthography. Because of the incompatibility that this creates with the Dutch Low Saxon, there is this need for a separate wikipedia. To make matters even more weird, one of the persons insisting on this Sass orthography is not even a Lower Saxon speaker but is one who does contribute to the nds.wikipedia for a hobby.