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but i don't want to even more hijack jidanni.... and continuing http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-January/057695.html under a new header -----
Ryan Lane wrote on Wed Jan 18 23:59:41
> So, this will be my last comment on this.
>
> In the time frame we had to implement this, it wasn't possible to do a
> 100% blackout that would have been completely impenetrable. There were
> a number of suggestions that could have blacked everything out
> completely, but very, very likely would have broken things in a way
> that would have lasted more than the blackout period.
Ryan, when i criticized the javascript implementation, i did not intend to be rude. I see now there might be a lot more considerations besides shocking visitors and editors, and there seem to have been not so much time too. Maybe i underestimated the task.
I am impressed that you tried to process input from 1700 participants. This effort should not go to waste.... I wonder, if this first step towards self-defense will be the last. You also mentioned lack of time and i believe that's always the situation. So, will there be any further evaluation of all this effort so far, of the decision process and its supervision, and the technical options for actual taking action, and then maybe deriving a first provisional guidelines ?
I do not imagine a catalog of predefined actions as that could turn out to be too predictable, but rather a catalog of possible goals and methods to achieve them, and possible technical implementations. But first before all, a guidance about the decision process, a supervision HowTo. I think that's the most difficult part.
Please understand me right. I don't want to urge. It is only a question, from a random outsider, and if you think it was useless, just skip it.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33801 -- UI cleanup for
API Sandbox tool
I'd very much like for these UI fixes to be made and deployed by this
weekend's hackathon when we're introducing 80 developers to the web
service API. Can anyone volunteer some time in the next day or so for
these fixes?
* Put the buttons on the same line
* Make the examples box float over content instead of extending the
table cell
** Below the buttons
* Make the result box scroll properly on overflow
Thanks.
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Sumana Harihareswara
Volunteer Development Coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation
I have poked around a bit (using Google), but have not found instructions
for setting up the MW regression test framework (e.g., CruiseControl or
Jenkins or whatever is now being used + PHPUnit tests + Selenium tests)
on a local machine (so new code can be regression tested before
submitting patches to Bugzilla). Do such instructions exist and if so,
would someone provide a pointer to them?
Thanks,
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-- Dan Nessett
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:53:02 -0500
> From: mhershberger(a)wikimedia.org (Mark A. Hershberger)
> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] SOPA commercial social networks
> To: wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Message-ID: <87hazttbo1.fsf(a)spyke.nichework.com>
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>
> Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com> writes:
>
> > It would be nice to have these social tools as opt in tools for
> > wikipedia in general.
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, Admins on-wiki could do this without consulting the
> WMF by installing a gadget which people could then opt-in to use.
>
> As far as built-in functionality, the first thing to do is to get an
> extension that provides this reviewed.
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Review_queue does not show anything that
> would provide this.
>
> Mark.
I disagree. First step would be to convince Wikipedia et al that
social networking buttons are a good idea.
Social networking button type extensions are very simple (Its a linked
image, that's it) and thus trivial to create. The issue has always
been that whenever asked, the Wikipedians say no (and its not like
they once said no 7 years ago, the topic seems to come up at a quite
regular basis).
-bawolff
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Delphine Ménard <notafishz(a)gmail.com>
Date: 2012/1/18
Subject: [Wmfcc-l] Black out saying "Enter your Zip Code" but not
saying "in the US"
To: Communications Committee <wmfcc-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hello,
just realised that the blackout page to which social media buttons
point is US centric (Contact your representatives), which is OK, but
it is being spread worldwide and the zip code thing makes little sense
for someone who is *not* in the US.
Could we add "If you're in the US" to it or something? It's kind of
confusing otherwise.
Cheers,
Delphine
--
Hey folks,
It looks like Delphine Menard is not getting the international
geolocated version of the blackout page. I believe she's in Berlin.
FWIW Florence Devouard, in France, *is* getting the international version.
Thanks,
Sue
(CCing Jay and Erik because I had earlier sent them a note about this,
before I got pointed here.)
Hey folks,
I'm not sure where to send this, so I'll send it here. Could someone
please change the Congress Lookup page text, as per the note below?
Essentially, it is changing two instances of "will" to "would" and
adding one new "would" -- that's all. No formatting changes, just the
three words.
Thanks,
Sue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CongressLookup <<<<< This page
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Call your elected officials.
Tell them you are their constituent, and you oppose SOPA and PIPA.
Why?
SOPA and PIPA put the burden on website owners to police
user-contributed material and call for the unnecessary blocking of
entire sites. Small sites won't have sufficient resources to defend
themselves. Big media companies may seek to cut off funding sources
for their foreign competitors, even if copyright isn't being
infringed. Foreign sites will be blacklisted, which means they won't
show up in major search engines. SOPA and PIPA build a framework for
future restrictions and suppression.
In a world in which politicians regulate the Internet based on the
influence of big money, Wikipedia — and sites like it — cannot
survive.
Congress says it's trying to protect the rights of copyright owners,
but the "cure" that SOPA and PIPA represent is worse than the disease.
SOPA and PIPA are not the answer: they will fatally damage the free
and open Internet.
CHANGE TO THIS
Call your elected officials.
Tell them you are their constituent, and you oppose SOPA and PIPA.
Why?
SOPA and PIPA would put the burden on website owners to police
user-contributed material and call for the unnecessary blocking of
entire sites. Small sites won't have sufficient resources to defend
themselves. Big media companies may seek to cut off funding sources
for their foreign competitors, even if copyright isn't being
infringed. Foreign sites will be blacklisted, which means they won't
show up in major search engines. SOPA and PIPA would build a framework
for future restrictions and suppression.
In a world in which politicians regulate the Internet based on the
influence of big money, Wikipedia — and sites like it — cannot
survive.
Congress says it's trying to protect the rights of copyright owners,
but the "cure" that SOPA and PIPA represent is worse than the disease.
SOPA and PIPA are not the answer: they would fatally damage the free
and open Internet.
--
In other words.............
SOPA and PIPA put the burden >>> SOPA and PIPA would put the burden
SOPA and PIPA build a framework >>> SOPA and PIPA would build a framework
they will fatally damage >>> they would fatally damage
--
Sue Gardner
Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation
415 839 6885 office
415 816 9967 cell
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
(I sent this already in reply to another thread but with too narrow topic, and i think it's important enough to deserve its own. So pls excuse if you already read this.)
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To make the redirect a javascript is not a good idea. At least 2,213,922 users will never see it
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/?src=search
and maybe way, way more since there are many similar features on any browser or platform.
Today, virtually NONE of my (many) friends ever noticed something changed, until i told them.
And even with js, you can see the 'real' page popping up first before the redirect takes action. It does not feel like 'oops wikipedia is gone !!?' but more like just another anyyoing advert.
You should do a straightforward real shutdown instead, and deliver a fake 404 with explanation link.
And for several more days.
And yes i would even block editing since this is also alerting people.
Hi!
Just visited http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
Clicking on the Facebook button I get a page with the invitation to
share a website containing this text:
#mw-sopaOverlay { position: fixed; top: 0; left: 0; width: 100%;
height: 100%; z-index: 500; color: #dedede; background: black
url(//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/WP_SOPA_Splash_Full.jpg)
no-repeat 0 0; overflow: auto; font-family:Times New Roman…
Clicking on the Google+ button I am forced to accept the tracking of
my location and some new general business terms.
I would prefer a simple link to something like this:
https://www.facebook.com/VOTE.NO.ON.SOPA
Thomas
On 18 January 2012 08:03, Peter Gervai <grinapo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a foreigner sidenote: we got the notice about SOPA and PIPA which
> does not start by defining, or even linking to what "SOPA" and "PIPA"
> is, what they are shorthand for, and background if anoone wants. It
> could be (should be) links on the same site, wikipedia style, as we
> always do. We raise awareness, so what about those who were not aware
> their existence at all?
Yeah, the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Learn_more
should link to those two articles (which are not blacked out) in the
first sentence. (Dunno how feasible that is with the wiki read-only
...)
- d.
The "Learn more" link works for me, but I've seen a couple of reports
of problems (where it gets the blackout too).
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Chris Lee <theornamentalist(a)gmail.com>
Date: 18 January 2012 05:04
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
The "Learn More" link at en.wp is blocked too.
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