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Ryan Kaldari

17 Jun 2014 17 Jun '14

1:41 p.m.

Sorry for the short notice, but later today we will be deploying an update that will redirect tablet users by default to the MobileFrontend interface (which has been updated to better accommodate tablets). Users can still switch back to the desktop interface if they prefer it. There is one minor local update that we want project administrators to make that is related to this update. Please edit your local instance of the MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to include the URL to the mobile version of the WMF Terms of Use in your language. The links to the translations can be found at https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use. For example, I went ahead and set https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to: //m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/de This will enable the Terms of Use link at the bottom of each page in the mobile/tablet interface. More information about the tablet redirect will be posted to the WMF blog later today. Regards, Ryan Kaldari

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Brian Wolff

17 Jun 17 Jun

2:12 p.m.

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There is one minor local update that we want project administrators to make that is related to this update. Please edit your local instance of the MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to include the URL to the mobile version of the WMF Terms of Use in your language. The links to the translations can be found at https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use. For example, I went ahead and set https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to: //m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/de This will enable the Terms of Use link at the bottom of each page in the mobile/tablet interface.

This seems kind of silly, and something that should not be a user responsibility. Why not have a hook in mobile frontend and override the message via the WikimediaMessages extension? --bawolff

Ryan Kaldari

2:23 p.m.

New subject: Deployment of tablet redirect to mobile interface (action needed)

Already working on that. Regardless, many projects will want to update this message as translations of the new ToU become available, so it's good if local projects are aware of it anyway. Ryan Kaldari On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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There is one minor local update that we want project administrators to

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that is related to this update. Please edit your local instance of the MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to include the URL to the mobile version of the WMF Terms of Use in your language. The links to the translations can be found at https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use. For example, I went ahead and set https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to: //m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/de This will enable the Terms of Use link at the bottom of each page in the mobile/tablet interface.

This seems kind of silly, and something that should not be a user responsibility. Why not have a hook in mobile frontend and override the message via the WikimediaMessages extension? --bawolff _______________________________________________ Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors

Federico Leva (Nemo)

2:26 p.m.

New subject: Deployment of tablet redirect to mobile interface (action needed)

Ryan Kaldari, 17/06/2014 20:23:

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Regardless, many projects will want to update this message as translations of the new ToU become available

New ToU? Did you mean new translations of the ToU? That isn't any less silly, we have Special:MyLanguage on Meta for a reason. Nemo

Ryan Kaldari

3:04 p.m.

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Ryan Kaldari, 17/06/2014 20:23: Regardless, many projects will want to update this message as

translations of the new ToU become available

New ToU? Did you mean new translations of the ToU? That isn't any less silly, we have Special:MyLanguage on Meta for a reason.

The Terms of Use are on WikimediaFoundation.org, which doesn't have Special:MyLanguage. And before you reply that this is "silly", yes it's all silly. We just realized that this was an issue today, so we're fixing it in the only way possible for today's launch, which is to edit the messages locally. We'll have something better in place later. Ryan Kaldari

Steven Walling

2:30 p.m.

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Why not have a hook in mobile frontend and override the message via the WikimediaMessages extension?

BTW, I don't think WikimediaMessages is entirely working as expected lately. See also: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65514 -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/

Brian Wolff

2:47 p.m.

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On 6/17/14, Steven Walling <swalling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Why not have a hook in mobile frontend and override the message via the WikimediaMessages extension?

BTW, I don't think WikimediaMessages is entirely working as expected lately. See also: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65514

That doesn't affect messages being overridden by a hook. --bawolff

billinghurst

11:49 p.m.

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Ryan, Would you please be able to inform this list again when the matter is resolved, so that we can delete the mediawiki message. Thanks. Regards, Billinghurst On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 10:41:02 -0700, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Sorry for the short notice, but later today we will be deploying an

update

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that will redirect tablet users by default to the MobileFrontend

interface

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(which has been updated to better accommodate tablets). Users can still switch back to the desktop interface if they prefer it. There is one minor local update that we want project administrators to

make

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blog

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later today. Regards, Ryan Kaldari

Federico Leva (Nemo)

18 Jun 18 Jun

4:04 a.m.

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I get reminded of https://xkcd.com/1174/ : "less information and a dumbed-down interface", "I like the tablet and desktop being the same", "Wiki for kiddies", "Mobile version sites are limited". https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/17/wikimedia-sites-get-a-new-look-on-tab… Importance of data increases: I reiterate my question, for which I had no answer. Federico Leva (Nemo), 15/06/2014 09:09:

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Will someone be monitoring the effects [if any] on editing activity and number of active editors/new [10+ edits] editors?

[...] I asked about effects of this change, not about totals.

And I add another question: is it technically possible to configure this switch per-wiki? Nemo

André Costa

4:55 a.m.

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Question/clarification: Would you like the MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url page to be created even if there is currently no translated ToU for that language? And if so should it be pointed to the non-existent page? Thanks, André André Costa | GLAM-tekniker, Wikimedia Sverige | Andre.Costa(a)wikimedia.se | +46 (0)733-964574 Stöd fri kunskap, bli medlem i Wikimedia Sverige. Läs mer på blimedlem.wikimedia.se On 18 June 2014 10:04, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I get reminded of https://xkcd.com/1174/ : "less information and a dumbed-down interface", "I like the tablet and desktop being the same", "Wiki for kiddies", "Mobile version sites are limited". https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/17/wikimedia-sites- get-a-new-look-on-tablets/ Importance of data increases: I reiterate my question, for which I had no answer. Federico Leva (Nemo), 15/06/2014 09:09:

Will someone be monitoring the effects [if any] on editing activity and number of active editors/new [10+ edits] editors?

[...] I asked about effects of this change, not about totals.

And I add another question: is it technically possible to configure this switch per-wiki? Nemo _______________________________________________ Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors

Ryan Kaldari

1:53 p.m.

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On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:55 AM, André Costa <andre.costa(a)wikimedia.se> wrote:

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If there is no translation, please point it to the English version for now: '//m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use' As soon as the Special:MyLanguage stuff is resolved (bugs 44871 and 66762), I'll let everyone know and you can then delete the local messages. Ryan Kaldari

Steven Walling

3:06 p.m.

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On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Importance of data increases: I reiterate my question, for which I had no answer. Federico Leva (Nemo), 15/06/2014 09:09:

Will someone be monitoring the effects [if any] on editing activity and number of active editors/new [10+ edits] editors?

[...] I asked about effects of this change, not about totals.

Nemo, You were given an answer. To repeat... The mobile report card (mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org) measures the daily and monthly editors over time. Mapping the month-to-month and year-over-year rates of change tells us what the trends are in mobile editing activity. There are also desktop editing trends in separate dashboards (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Data/Dashboards). -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/

Federico Leva (Nemo)

5:43 p.m.

New subject: [WikimediaMobile] Deployment of tablet redirect to mobile interface (action needed)

Steven Walling, 18/06/2014 21:06:

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You were given an answer. To repeat... The mobile report card

Thanks, I know about it. https://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=5653002

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[...] mobile editing activity. [...]

Which I never asked about. Steven, you clearly don't know the answer to my question, but that's fine: you're not forced to reply. So, to be even more specific, can someone from Mobile or Analytics say if they'll be monitoring what effect, if any, this change («tablet redirect to mobile interface») has on the metrics known as "active editor" and maybe also "very active editor", "new contributor"? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Active_editor And then the other on how the redirect is configured. Thanks and sorry for the confusion caused by the back and forth, Nemo

Steven Walling

6:08 p.m.

New subject: [WikimediaMobile] Deployment of tablet redirect to mobile interface (action needed)

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Ryan Kaldari

8:01 p.m.

New subject: [WikimediaMobile] Deployment of tablet redirect to mobile interface (action needed)

The redirect is configured at the Varnish layer, specifically in text-frontend.inc.vcl.erb. Basically, it redirects any user agents that contain 'mobi', 'android', or several other strings to the mobile interface. There used to be an exemption for agents identified as tablets, but the exemption was removed. Ryan Kaldari On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Steven Walling <swalling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Nemo, Look at the dashboards for the mobile team. They include monitoring of active editors (5+ content edits/month) and new active editors (5+ content edits/month who registered recently) on mobile. They do not include very active editors or Erik Zachte's 10+ edits metric (which we don't use much in product analysis). -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors

Maryana Pinchuk

8:45 p.m.

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On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Steven Walling, 18/06/2014 21:06:

You were given an answer. To repeat... The mobile report card

Thanks, I know about it. https://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=5653002 [...] mobile editing activity. [...]

Which I never asked about. Steven, you clearly don't know the answer to my question, but that's fine: you're not forced to reply. So, to be even more specific, can someone from Mobile or Analytics

Hi, Mobile Web PM here :)

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say if they'll be monitoring what effect, if any, this change («tablet redirect to mobile interface») has on the metrics known as "active editor"

Yes.

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and maybe also "very active editor"

That's not a metric we're looking at specifically, no, though it's trivial to query and I'll probably just do it for fun :)

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"new contributor"? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Active_editor

Yes.

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And then the other on how the redirect is configured.

I think Kaldari's answered this :) -- Maryana Pinchuk Product Manager, Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org

Ryan Kaldari

21 Aug 21 Aug

3:55 p.m.

Now that Special:MyLanguage is finally available on the Foundation wiki, I've updated the i18n message to handle redirecting to the appropriate language automatically (via the WikimediaMessages extension). If your wiki has MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url overidden locally, you can now delete that page. Thanks! Ryan Kaldari On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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André Costa
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