Takuya Murata wrote: I think Brion's idea is good. The counting of articles can't be done by commas or by finding the minimum number of bytes you need for a good article. Why not do it the other way? Count them all which are not empty, remove the redirects and the only 'non articles' remaining should be lists etc. Why not 'mark' them? Lets add a #DONTCOUNT and every author, admin, or maintainer can simple remove lists etc. from the count by adding this mark. And which pages are removed can be decided by each wiki for itself. yust my 2 cents Smurf -- ------------------------- Anthill inside! ---------------------------