Brad Patrick wrote: Likely much smaller than live content. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

On 6/16/06, Tim Starling <t.starling(a)physics.unimelb.edu.au> wrote: [snip] Just to interject some data into the discussion. There are 489678 image pages on enwiki. There are 207320 distinct image page titles which have been deleted. If we presume that deleted image pages with deletions have the same number of image versions and similar image sizes then we can say roughly that preserving deleteds would have increased our enwiki storage requirements by 50%. Because a substantial chunk of these may have been deletions from objects moved to commons, past performance may not indicate future results. Although with 73,214 (vs 148k uploads) image pages deleted on enwiki in the first three months of the year, we can expect the future storage requirements to be non-trivial. Commons on the other hand has a far smaller number of deleted image pages (~40k), no doubt due to the sites lower profile for uninformed users leading to less problems images, the lack of a migration causing deletions, and less vigorous copyright enforcement. In any case even if keeping deleteds were to double our image capacity requirements they may well be worth it (consider detecting reuploads of previously deleted images, even modified copies of previously deleted images) ... but lets not forget to calculate the real cost of storage (it's not just the $120 that a 320gb disk costs... think of backup, etc).

That is what I was thinking. I was imagining cleanup after no touches for a period of time. But this is a great advance! On 6/16/06, Mark Ryan <ultrablue(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Brad Patrick General Counsel & Interim Executive Director Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. bradp.wmf(a)gmail.com 727-231-0101

Perhaps we could to auto-expire type deletion, Myth-tv style. Images wouldn't be deleted until a lack of space is detected. (Or if there is less than 100G free or so.) When there is a lack of space, the oldest unused images are deleted until the space condition is resolved. Kyle

On 6/19/06, maru dubshinki <marudubshinki(a)gmail.com> wrote: You're looking for [[Nishi Amane]]. Actually, you're looking for http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers which lists the current Wikimedia servers. Amane is simply the name given to one of them, which has the following specifications, according to the table: amane 11/2005 NFS storage server Fedora Core 3U, 2x Xeon 3.4GHz, 8GB RAM, 16 x 400GB SATA disk Erik