(Mainly concerning wikipedia, but cross-posting to foundation-l because of some discussion of committees; see the end.) We've discussed on and off that it'd be nice to vet specific revisions of Wikipedia articles so readers can either choose to read only quality articles, or at least have an indication of how good an article is. This is an obvious prerequisite for a Wikipedia 1.0 print edition, and would be nice on the website as well. There is a lengthy list of proposals here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Article_validation_proposals I wanted to try to rekindle the process by summarizing some of the proposals, which I think can be grouped into three main types, and then suggest some ideas on where to go from there. Proposal #1: Fork or freeze, then bring up to our quality standards. --- Wikipedians would look around for articles that look reasonably good (perhaps starting with feature articles) and nominate them to be worked on. Then either freeze them (by placing a notice or some sort of technical measure), or else fork them off to a copy. The articles would then be checked for referencing, accuracy, grammar, and so on, possibly only by users who've met some bar for participation in the clean-up process, resulting in an article suitable for publication. Forking or freezing is to ensure the cleanup process actually terminates rather than trying to clean up a moving target; there are of course pros and cons to forking vs. freezing. Some pros: Fairly straightforward; follows successful methods of "stable release" management in the software-development world; allows a certain amount of editorial work not normally suitable for an in-progress encyclopedia (like cutting out an entire section because it's too far from being done to go in the print version); is easy to integrate "expert review" into as a last vetting step before it goes out the door. Some cons: Either disrupts normal editing through a freeze, or results in duplicated effort with a fork. Also is likely to result in a fairly slow process, so the reviewed version of each article may be replaced with an updated version quite infrequently; most articles will have no reviewed version, so doesn't do much for increasing the typical quality of presentation on the website. Proposal #2: Institute a rating and trust-metric system --- Wikipedians rate revisions, perhaps on some scale from "complete crap" to "I'm an expert in this field and am confident of its accuracy and high quality". Then there is some way of coming up with a score for that revision, perhaps based on the trustworthiness of the raters themselves (determined through some method). Once that's done, the interface can do things like display the last version of an article over some score, if any, or a big warning that the article sucks otherwise (and so on). Some pros: Distributed; no duplicated effort; good revisions are marked good as soon as enough people have vetted them; humans review the articles, but the "process" itself is done automatically; most articles will have some information about their quality to present to a reader Some cons: Gameing-proof trust metric systems are notoriously hard to design. Proposal #3: Extend a feature-article-like process --- Extend a feature-article type process to work on revisions rather than articles. For example, nominate revision X of an article as a featured article; improve it during the process until it gets to a revision Y that people agree is good. Then sometime later, nominate a new revision Z, explain what the differences are, and discuss whether this should supercede the old featured version. Can also have sub-featured statuses like "good" or "mediocre, but at least nothing is outright wrong". In principle can be done with no code changes, though there are some that could ease things along greatly. Some pros: Gets at the effect of proposal #2 but with a flexible human-run system instead of an automatic system, and therefore less likely to be brittle. Some cons: Will need carefully-designed software assistance to keep all the information and discussion manageable and avoid descending into a morass of thousands upon thousands of messy talk pages --- These are not necessarily mutually exclusive. In my opinion, something like #3 would be best suited to marking quality of revisions on the website, and then the best of these could feed into a process like #1 that would do final vetting and cleanup before a print publication (in addition to print-specific things like editing for space, formatting, image resolution, etc.). In any case, obviously proposals can come and go forever. None are implemented, but that's partly because nobody wants to sink a bunch of time into implementing a system when there's no guarantee it will even be used. My hope is to condense the discussion so we choose some high-level ideas on how to proceed before moving on to the inevitable details, and then move to implementation once we've agreed what we actually want. On an organizational level, it may be useful to have a working group sorting this out to focus the process. It may be useful, in my opinion, for the Foundation to make it an official committee of sorts and indicate at least informally that it'll support getting its recommendations enacted (e.g. paying another developer if development resources are the bottleneck). I would be willing to devote a significant amount of time to such a committee, since I think this is the single biggest problem holding back Wikipedia's usefulness to the general public, and I'm sure there are at least several other people with ideas and expertise in this area who would be willing to do so as well. Thoughts? -Mark