At the moment, when one puts the first part of a word between [[square
brackets]], the word as a whole will become a link. Although I like that
as a general principle, I think it would be good to have an opportunity
to escape this, and give a possibility to have only the 'zoo' in
[[zoo]]keeper be linking. This would especially be useful in a language
like German, where complex terms are often formed by stringing words
together into a single word, rather than in a sequence of words as is
usual in English.
What are other people's thoughts here? Would it be a good idea? What syntax
would be preferred?
Andre Engels
I haven't been able to connect to Wikipedia for hours. What gives? There were
much better response times during the Slashdotting. Do the new table
structures have anything to do with it?
--mav
WikiKarma (I was in the middle of updating all the year pages and many other
articles on [[January 26]])
One of the most requested features has been a way to contact anonymous
users. I have added this functionality to the Wikipedia software, and it is now
running on our test server:
http://test.wikipedia.org
You will notice that every user, anonymous or not, now has a "Talk" link
behind their username in the Recent Changes list. In the case of anons, this
leads to a page Talk:123.123.123.123 (IP address). Both anons and signed in
users get a notification if their talk page has been changed. Instead of the old
"Talk*" link, this is now a text message stating "You have new messages",
linking to the talk page.
I would appreciate it if you could test this by putting messages on each
other's talk pages on test.wikipedia.org (most of us don't have an account
there, which is an advantage here), before we put it on the live Wikipedia. Note
that there are also some new texts to translate.
A talk page can be shared by several people with the same IP address. To
help people understand this, an automatic info text is appended to all talk
pages for anonymous users. Since the Wikipedia software does not "know" much
about the pages it stores, any page of the pattern "User talk:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" (x
being 1-3 digits) is interpreted to be such a page; if you, for whatever
reason, create one by hand, it will also get the warning text.
Note that it's currently possible to create an account like "172" or even
"172.148.23.23", and some people might do so for nostalgic reasons. In my
opinion, we should block the creation of usernames without letters in them (need
to make sure that this works on the non-English Wikipedias, of course). Any
objections?
Regards,
Erik
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I hereby decree, in my usual authoritarian and bossy manner, that today shall
forever be known as Magnus Manske day. Wikipedians of the distant future will
marvel at the day when the new software era dawned upon us.
Tonight at dinner, every Wikipedian should say a toast to Magnus and his many
inventions.
--Jimbo
Just a warning folks: later tonight I'll be taking Wikipedia offline for
a bit for regular backups, and conversion to a different database table
format which should better withstand the heavy peer pressure that a
young wiki encounters as it discovers the wonder that is "a whole
frigging lot of users".
test.wikipedia.org has been running with InnoDB tables for some while
and no one seems to have had any problems with that aspect of it, so
it's time to take the plunge before anybody else picks up that press
release. ;)
This may take a couple of hours on the English Wikipedia; the other
languages and meta will be done one at a time in sequence and will go
much more quickly.
Mailing lists will remain online.
I'll be starting this around midnight PST (8am UTC, 9am CET).
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
For those who don't keep up with Project Gutenberg, the Distributed
Proofreaders project is currently in the process of proofreading an OCRed
version of the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Anyone interested in helping to proofread for OCR errors can do so at,
http://texts01.archive.org/dp/
(DP allows users to proofread as much or little as they want in increments
of single pages).
Incidently if anyone had any Public Domain books (pre-1923
generally) which they wouldn't mind giving up (and aren't already
available in Gutenberg) they can post them to the admins of the DP website
to process for Gutenberg. (They have a high-speed destructive scanner, but
are running low on material as they get through about 4000 pages/day)
Imran
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> Perhaps the solution to this little detail is that
> the Esperanto
> homepage needs to be internationalized in some way?
I think we should change the language names to their
names in their own language. This might help.
> Can you give us more detail of exactly what you are
> proposing?
I propose the page that has a paragraph in English and
then the list of languages in a table.
> Do you propose removing the "tree" and "Selected
> articles" from
> www.wikipedia.org? Where should we put them?
I don't really understand what you mean here. Could
you clarify?
> Do you propose having the intro text, 2 sentences,
> in a whole bunch of
> languages?
Just the intro text in English and then links to each
language underneath. I saw this in one of the
proposals.
> Do you propose browser-detection? (Problematic for
> a number of
> reasons that many people have mentioned, but
> certainly a live
> possibility.)
No, no, no. For one thing, that will have almost no
effect for Esperanto speakers. I don't even know how
to change my own browser to eo, even if I wanted to,
and anyway I'd rather keep it in English even though
I'm more involved with the Esperanto project. The
least that auto-detect could do is highlight my
language on the main page.
I'm sorry I can't give a more detailed description,
but this weekend is composed of day long committee
meetings, so I really don't have time... but there's
always a little time for Wikipedia. :) (Hey, new
slogan anyone?) ;-)
Thanks,
Chuck
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Jul claims we can use information given by the World
Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), from his
website.
He says this information can be used freely and is
compatible with our license but only requires than the
source be indicated.
Yann answers he doubts very much the validity of this
assomption.
I tried to read the license, but I am no lawyer, and
don't wish to be :-)
Did anybody come across that situation before ? Is the
license compatible ? Does it give us only the right to
reproduce their article, or also to change it ?
a link
http://www.wipo.int/about-wipo/en/index.html?wipo_content_frame=/about-wipo…
Here's one of the page Jul created from their web site
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_d%27auteur
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On Friday 24 January 2003 04:00 am, wikipedia-l-request(a)wikipedia.org wrote:
> 3) If we use a portal, it should at least offer some additional features,
> such as a multi-language search and multi-language Recent Changes. This is
> not possible with the current software because all Wikipedias are separate.
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
Ditto. I'm all for waiting for a multilanguage phase IV or at least a
multilanguage enhanced phase III before going live with the multilanguage
portal.
A portal would be just symbolic windowdressing if we don't at least have a
unified user database and the ability to easily search all languages at once
(sorry Brion your nifty meta search thingy is still just a nifty little
thingy) . Other features such a unified Recent Changes linked from the
portal, better handling of interlanguage links and the ability to select the
language your interface is in are also important but not vital to the success
of a portal.
A multilanguage portal is a big change that explicitly states our website is
multilanguage enabled -- except for some clumsy multilanguage links, it
isn't. We should do this right and actually have the software catch-up with
our expectations about what our project is.
Until a portal and the multilanguage-enabled software behind it are ready, we
could implement the 'browser language sniffing' idea so that people are
automatically brought to the language which corresponds to their browser
settings (if that wiki has say, more than 100 articles and has been upgraded
- otherwise they go to the English Wikipedia as they do now).
We should also think about moving the English Wikipedia from
http://www.wikipeida.org to http://wikipedia.org/en/ as Brion and others have
suggested. But we could just as easily wait for the multilanguage phase IV
and then move all the wikis to http://wikipedia.org/{language code}/ as they
are upgraded and converted to the new common database. Aside: IMO having what
look like separate URLs only tends to enforce the feeling that we are not one
multilanguage project.
A portal right now would be pure symbolism. I and several others have spent
many hours reworking the English Main Page. A big part of the reworking was
to give links to and about the other languages more prominence. Additional
suggestions are still welcome of course.
--mav
WikiKarma:
I updated all the year pages and many of the other articles linked from
[[January 21]] and [[January 22]].
For those who may not be aware, the Wikipedia mailing list addresses at
nupedia.com *no longer work*. They were maintained as forwarding
addresses for a while after the lists were moved to the wikipedia.org
server, but have been removed recently (see forwarded message below).
If you're having trouble sending e-mail to the Wikipedia mailing lists,
check the send-to address and if necessary replace nupedia.com with
wikipedia.org.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)bomis.com>
To: wikitech-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] canceling @nupedia.com forward to the @wikipedia.org lists
Date: 13 Jan 2003 08:11:36 -0800
I have no opposition to removing these forwards now. People have
had enough time to adjust to the new addresses.
Giskart wrote:
> For several months I recieve on the lists Intliwiki-l and Wikitech-l
> spam almost every day.
>
> see also
> http://www.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2002-December/001719.html
>
> Those spams always come by the old posting adress of the lists, wikitech-
> l(a)nupedia.com and intlwiki-l(a)nupedia.com
>
> Can the forward be removed?
>
> --