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> From: "David Speakman" <david(a)speakman.com>
> Date: 2005/08/16 Tue AM 03:34:40 EDT
> To: "'Wikinews mailing list'" <wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Opposed to any more policy-setting via chat rooms RE: [Wikinews-l]
> Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
>
> I am against use of IRC to set Wikinews policy.
>
> These sessions are always attended by the same small group of people -
> whereas the majority of WN contributors cannot make it to the chats for
> various reasons.
>
> There is no valid argument as to why each and every issue raised cannot be
> handled in the wiki way - via talk pages. It may be slower, but it provides
> an adequate way for ALL interested parties to participate regardless of time
> zone.
>
> --
> David Speakman
> http://www.DavidSpeakman.com
> 501 Moorpark Way #83
> Mountain View CA 94041
> Phone: 408-382-1459
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikinews-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Craig Spurrier
> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:51 PM
> > To: Wikinews mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > I think a third future talk is a great idea. I do however
> > have a few issues with this proposal.
> >
> > The date appears to be randomly chosen. IRC and any other
> > real time methods will exclude people based upon timezones
> > and available times. All of the other future talks times have
> > been chosen by creating a page with a list of possible times,
> > and having people indicate what dates/times they are
> > available. The date/time with the most people available is
> > then used. If they are unable to make the listed times, they
> > are encouraged to list what times they would be able to make.
> >
> > My second issue with this is the inclusion of the WNN
> > proposal in the items to discus. This proposal has been
> > discussed many times, and the results are always the same,
> > people arguing with nothing accomplished. The WNN proposal if
> > it is to survive, needs either to be ignored until the
> > project can support it, or for the previous discussions to be
> > acted upon.
> >
> > My third issue with it is Nick moderating it, no past future
> > talk has been moderated, and I do not think it should be
> > especially by some one with such strong opinions on many of the topics
> >
> > Craig Spurrier
> >
> >
> > Nicholas Gerda wrote:
> >
> > >Eloquence, Ed Brown and I came up with a starter list for
> > work that we
> > >feel should be accomplished on Wikinews. This list follows and is
> > >freely available for editing at
> > >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Todo_list .
> > >
> > >1. Resolve Portal namespace and Portal design issues
> > (encourage local
> > >reporting). 2. Resolve Google News indexing issues (Stable version
> > >flagging). 3. Revise decision-making process (Voting policy).
> > >4. Main Page (what belongs, what doesn't belong).
> > >5. Work on modifying WNN proposal to appease community's requests.
> > >6. Encourage more Investigative reporting.
> > >7. User-friendliness (we currently have high standards,
> > possible "This
> > >just in" raw news box).
> > >8. Expand editor base (Contact college journalism departments, etc.).
> > >
> > >These will be the set topics for Wikinews Future Talk 3,
> > which I plan
> > >on moderating on Saturday, August 20, at 21:00 UTC.
> > >
> > >Nick
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Wikinews-l mailing list
> > >Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org
> > >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikinews-l mailing list
> > Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org
> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikinews-l mailing list
> Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
>
I NEED TO STOP RECEIVING ALL WIKINEWS..........PLEASE`STOP. <gristmiami(a)bellsouth.net>
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>
> From: "David Speakman" <david(a)speakman.com>
> Date: 2005/08/16 Tue AM 03:34:40 EDT
> To: "'Wikinews mailing list'" <wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Opposed to any more policy-setting via chat rooms RE: [Wikinews-l]
> Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
>
> I am against use of IRC to set Wikinews policy.
>
> These sessions are always attended by the same small group of people -
> whereas the majority of WN contributors cannot make it to the chats for
> various reasons.
>
> There is no valid argument as to why each and every issue raised cannot be
> handled in the wiki way - via talk pages. It may be slower, but it provides
> an adequate way for ALL interested parties to participate regardless of time
> zone.
>
> --
> David Speakman
> http://www.DavidSpeakman.com
> 501 Moorpark Way #83
> Mountain View CA 94041
> Phone: 408-382-1459
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikinews-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Craig Spurrier
> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:51 PM
> > To: Wikinews mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > I think a third future talk is a great idea. I do however
> > have a few issues with this proposal.
> >
> > The date appears to be randomly chosen. IRC and any other
> > real time methods will exclude people based upon timezones
> > and available times. All of the other future talks times have
> > been chosen by creating a page with a list of possible times,
> > and having people indicate what dates/times they are
> > available. The date/time with the most people available is
> > then used. If they are unable to make the listed times, they
> > are encouraged to list what times they would be able to make.
> >
> > My second issue with this is the inclusion of the WNN
> > proposal in the items to discus. This proposal has been
> > discussed many times, and the results are always the same,
> > people arguing with nothing accomplished. The WNN proposal if
> > it is to survive, needs either to be ignored until the
> > project can support it, or for the previous discussions to be
> > acted upon.
> >
> > My third issue with it is Nick moderating it, no past future
> > talk has been moderated, and I do not think it should be
> > especially by some one with such strong opinions on many of the topics
> >
> > Craig Spurrier
> >
> >
> > Nicholas Gerda wrote:
> >
> > >Eloquence, Ed Brown and I came up with a starter list for
> > work that we
> > >feel should be accomplished on Wikinews. This list follows and is
> > >freely available for editing at
> > >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Todo_list .
> > >
> > >1. Resolve Portal namespace and Portal design issues
> > (encourage local
> > >reporting). 2. Resolve Google News indexing issues (Stable version
> > >flagging). 3. Revise decision-making process (Voting policy).
> > >4. Main Page (what belongs, what doesn't belong).
> > >5. Work on modifying WNN proposal to appease community's requests.
> > >6. Encourage more Investigative reporting.
> > >7. User-friendliness (we currently have high standards,
> > possible "This
> > >just in" raw news box).
> > >8. Expand editor base (Contact college journalism departments, etc.).
> > >
> > >These will be the set topics for Wikinews Future Talk 3,
> > which I plan
> > >on moderating on Saturday, August 20, at 21:00 UTC.
> > >
> > >Nick
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Wikinews-l mailing list
> > >Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org
> > >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikinews-l mailing list
> > Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org
> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikinews-l mailing list
> Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
>
I NEED TO STOP RECEIVING ALL WIKINEWS..........PLEASE`STOP. <gristmiami(a)bellsouth.net>
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>
> From: "David Speakman" <david(a)speakman.com>
> Date: 2005/08/16 Tue AM 03:34:40 EDT
> To: "'Wikinews mailing list'" <wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Opposed to any more policy-setting via chat rooms RE: [Wikinews-l]
> Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
>
> I am against use of IRC to set Wikinews policy.
>
> These sessions are always attended by the same small group of people -
> whereas the majority of WN contributors cannot make it to the chats for
> various reasons.
>
> There is no valid argument as to why each and every issue raised cannot be
> handled in the wiki way - via talk pages. It may be slower, but it provides
> an adequate way for ALL interested parties to participate regardless of time
> zone.
>
> --
> David Speakman
> http://www.DavidSpeakman.com
> 501 Moorpark Way #83
> Mountain View CA 94041
> Phone: 408-382-1459
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikinews-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Craig Spurrier
> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:51 PM
> > To: Wikinews mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > I think a third future talk is a great idea. I do however
> > have a few issues with this proposal.
> >
> > The date appears to be randomly chosen. IRC and any other
> > real time methods will exclude people based upon timezones
> > and available times. All of the other future talks times have
> > been chosen by creating a page with a list of possible times,
> > and having people indicate what dates/times they are
> > available. The date/time with the most people available is
> > then used. If they are unable to make the listed times, they
> > are encouraged to list what times they would be able to make.
> >
> > My second issue with this is the inclusion of the WNN
> > proposal in the items to discus. This proposal has been
> > discussed many times, and the results are always the same,
> > people arguing with nothing accomplished. The WNN proposal if
> > it is to survive, needs either to be ignored until the
> > project can support it, or for the previous discussions to be
> > acted upon.
> >
> > My third issue with it is Nick moderating it, no past future
> > talk has been moderated, and I do not think it should be
> > especially by some one with such strong opinions on many of the topics
> >
> > Craig Spurrier
> >
> >
> > Nicholas Gerda wrote:
> >
> > >Eloquence, Ed Brown and I came up with a starter list for
> > work that we
> > >feel should be accomplished on Wikinews. This list follows and is
> > >freely available for editing at
> > >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Todo_list .
> > >
> > >1. Resolve Portal namespace and Portal design issues
> > (encourage local
> > >reporting). 2. Resolve Google News indexing issues (Stable version
> > >flagging). 3. Revise decision-making process (Voting policy).
> > >4. Main Page (what belongs, what doesn't belong).
> > >5. Work on modifying WNN proposal to appease community's requests.
> > >6. Encourage more Investigative reporting.
> > >7. User-friendliness (we currently have high standards,
> > possible "This
> > >just in" raw news box).
> > >8. Expand editor base (Contact college journalism departments, etc.).
> > >
> > >These will be the set topics for Wikinews Future Talk 3,
> > which I plan
> > >on moderating on Saturday, August 20, at 21:00 UTC.
> > >
> > >Nick
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Wikinews-l mailing list
> > >Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org
> > >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikinews-l mailing list
> > Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org
> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikinews-l mailing list
> Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
>
While it's a wiki and all, I'm not sure putting the results of
discussions between the three of us on a wiki page in the policy
namespace titled "To do list" is a good idea, particularly as I wasn't
even part of the discussion about WNN. I would prefer it if this was in
your user namespace, i.e. User:NGerda/To do, or in the "Agenda" section
of the next Future Talk.
I think a new meeting should take place, but given recent conflicts
between you and Dan, it might be best if it was unmoderated. That won't
stop us from discussing the items listed on this page.
Erik
Hello,
I think a third future talk is a great idea. I do however have a few
issues with this proposal.
The date appears to be randomly chosen. IRC and any other real time
methods will exclude people based upon timezones and available times.
All of the other future talks times have been chosen by creating a page
with a list of possible times, and having people indicate what
dates/times they are available. The date/time with the most people
available is then used. If they are unable to make the listed times,
they are encouraged to list what times they would be able to make.
My second issue with this is the inclusion of the WNN proposal in the
items to discus. This proposal has been discussed many times, and the
results are always the same, people arguing with nothing accomplished.
The WNN proposal if it is to survive, needs either to be ignored until
the project can support it, or for the previous discussions to be acted
upon.
My third issue with it is Nick moderating it, no past future talk has
been moderated, and I do not think it should be especially by some one
with such strong opinions on many of the topics
Craig Spurrier
Nicholas Gerda wrote:
>Eloquence, Ed Brown and I came up with a starter list for work that we
>feel should be accomplished on Wikinews. This list follows and is
>freely available for editing at
>http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Todo_list .
>
>1. Resolve Portal namespace and Portal design issues (encourage local
>reporting).
>2. Resolve Google News indexing issues (Stable version flagging).
>3. Revise decision-making process (Voting policy).
>4. Main Page (what belongs, what doesn't belong).
>5. Work on modifying WNN proposal to appease community's requests.
>6. Encourage more Investigative reporting.
>7. User-friendliness (we currently have high standards, possible "This
>just in" raw news box).
>8. Expand editor base (Contact college journalism departments, etc.).
>
>These will be the set topics for Wikinews Future Talk 3, which I plan
>on moderating on Saturday, August 20, at 21:00 UTC.
>
>Nick
>_______________________________________________
>Wikinews-l mailing list
>Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org
>http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
>
>
>
The international language editions of Wikinews are still in beta, but
some of the other language version have already moved one step closer
to getting out of that state - they got a license. Now... This is not
a good thing.
The Spanish, Serbian and Romanian editions are all licensed under the
GNU FDL, and the Japanese edition is licensed under CC-By. That's due
to the nature of the Japanese law, which, according to some juristic
analysis, doesn't allow to release content into the public domain.
That's not such a big problem - first of all, it might be possible to
relicense the content under CC-By-SA, or simply ask the contributors
to relicense it - since this is a new project, there aren't too many
people to ask.
But, back to the topic. The 2.5 Creative Commons licenses allow to
give the attribution NOT to every author of the article, but to the
whole project - just check 4(b) of
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/legalcode (same applies to
every other CC license).
This allows us to finally license our content under the CC-Wiki
(that's what we could call CC-By-SA 2.5) license - now the basic
questions are:
1) Do we need to license it right now?
2) Will we really choose CC-By-SA 2.5, or some other license, like
GFDL or CC-By, for example?
3) What should we do about the Wikinews projects which already have a
license choosed?
--
Best regards,
Dariusz "Datrio" Siedlecki