Martin makes a good point and now that I'm off work for a few days ill reply as a volunteer: I would be in favour of signing this. is something I believe most members would agree with signing too.

On Nov 28, 2013 3:31 PM, "Stevie Benton" <stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

Thanks for the replies. As Martin notes, I haven't said it is out of scope, but that *some may* feel that way.

It is a tricky question, actually. If I had to call it on my own view, I'd say sign it as it is worthwhile. "Free and open" being the key words here - if there is widespread and secretive surveillance, then the web, and the knowledge contained therein, becomes neither free nor open. But I can see that it isn't necessarily clear-cut, hence asking the question. 

On 28 November 2013 15:23, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

Well, it's not really directly linked to our objects ("for the benefit of the public, to promote and support the widest possible public access to, use of and contribution to Open Content of an encyclopaedic or educational nature or of similar utility to the general public"). That said, ensuring that data safeguards are in place (in part by signing things like this) would help encourage people to use the internet and be more open with their knowledge (as they can trust it more if it's properly regulated and data isn't being surreptitiously obtained by all and sundry). 

A complex question.

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On 28 November 2013 15:18, Fæ <faewik@gmail.com> wrote:

On 28 November 2013 13:24, Stevie Benton <stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Wikimedia UK has been asked to consider signing a document supporting these
> International Principles on the Application of Human Rights to
> Communications Surveillance In principle I think this is worthwhile and
> shows that we are on the side of the every day internet user. But some may
> say it is out of our scope. What do people think? If there's a consensus
> I'll add Wikimedia UK to the list.
>
> This can be discussed on this list or on the Water Cooler of the WMUK wiki
> if you prefer.

What were the "out of our scope" objections?

Thanks,
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