On 25 June 2012 15:54, Jon Davies <jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
A matter of timescales - getting really close to the fundraiser and other things.
Lots of opinions from different people and yet a decision had to be made. Not an easy decision to make and those making it have shown leaderships I think. You can't please all the people all of the time and this discussion has been going on for all of the nine months I have been here. A long gestation, time for a baby.

Two points for fairness (to both sides):

* Mike contacted me the other day to organise a time for us to chat, which we will be doing. I'm hopeful that there is still time to reconsider some of the options at hand. I think Mike's doing a great job in a difficult situation.

* However; there didn't seem to be a lot of discussion r.e. the decision (I appreciate some of it might have happened internally, but I obviously have no knowledge of that). I posted in detail on the WMUK wik development strategy talk page which generated zero responses. And although Mike responded, very realistically, to my concerns there were still others, larger, that weren't responded to by anyone - there were a number of key things that could have been done to at least tweak/improve the job description. None of which happened.

I still think this is a really poor approach and a big waste of funds which will hampers us in the medium term. But hopefully Mike and I will have a fruitful discussion tomorrow :)

As a point of interest; what *exactly* does need to be done for the fundraiser? I've seen no actual specification; and what I was suggesting when we last had these discussions is that we outline more specifically the needs in this area.

I'd really like to see that specification publicised as part of the process of involving the community in the development side of things.

And if that specification doesn't exist I'd question why a developer is being hired ;)

Tom