Philippe,
I know what you mean about posting to VPs being hard. It need not be
so difficult, however. We've talked about setting up a global
announcement tool that would do the same.
Switching to a public forum: this seems like something to bring up on
the wikimediameta-l list (and perhaps the translation coordination)
list. This is a specific, commonly requested, and rarely accomplished
task. In effect:
1. define the ~500 wikis that are 'active' and that we'd like to send
messages to
2. define the Village Pump page or equivalent for every page. So if
non exist, the main talk page; &c.
3. keep an announcement script running that uses a non-bot wiki user
to post updates to these. given an announcement title, it should
3a) know how to check to see if a short announcement with that title exists
3b) default to the closest parent language in a language tree if none exist
3c) auto-inlcude a backlink to a global discussion page (default: on Meta).
4. maintain a page describing this announcement bot, in core langauges.
4a) as part of this process, keep a list of stock phrases translated
into every language. "announcement", "a discussion about <FOO> is
taking place on Meta", "Thank you, ~~~~", etc.
Is anyone working on something like this? Could we implement
something like this before the next round of Strategic Planning
updates? This seems like a year when we will need such an announce
feature - particularly in a fashion that encourages local community
discussion, something a sitenotice doesn't easily allow (it is
temporary and has no obvious talk page).
SJ
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Philippe Beaudette
<pbeaudette(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> The process is essentially the same as it would be for any
> translation. The problem with VP's is posting.... blech.... it takes
> a lot of time for me to do it. Pretty well kills a morning. I have
> heard rumors of a bot that can do it, but haven't seen it yet.
>
> Philippe
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Samuel Klein wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be interested in leaving a personal message on the talk pages of
>>> the 1000 most active non-bot editors globally, intersected with the
>>> 10
>>> most active editors on each wiki, asking for their input in some way.
>>> These are people for whom the current projects are worth a good deal
>>> of interest and effort...
>>
>> There's no terrible rush for this - we could calculate who this would
>> be, post the list, and discuss the idea of leaving a brief one liner
>> and a link to a request-for-input. We could probably centralize
>> this discussion on meta and link to it from the VP's of top projects.
>>
>> Speaking of which -- Philippe & Casey, is there a scripted process for
>> posting a brief message intended for VP's, ask for translations, and
>> then roll out the message as translations come in (with backlinks to a
>> unified discussion page on meta)?
>>
>> SJ
>>
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Hello,
I wanted to let folks know that WMF is decommissioning some 35 servers,
and is willing to accept requests from users interested in using them
for Wikimedia-related purposes. If you can ship a server from Tampa to
where you are, and if you can put it to good use, please see
http://tinyurl.com/r3xhp7 and send your request in.
Many thanks to the tech team (in particular RobH - looks like he's
handling most or all of this) for reaching out to community members
first. I'm sure we can find happy homes for lots of this hardware, which
will help community members be productive in helping achieve Wikimedia's
mission.
- -Mike
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A few years ago, I had asked that IRC have a searchable archive of
discussions. I was told that there were daily logs and I could get one if I
asked. I asked, and was denied. Until IRC commits itself to openness, it
should have little to no impact on any facet of our project. Without searchable
archives, IRC is not open in the modern sense, regardless of who or how
you can join it, or view it. The archives of this mailing list are
searchable.
Will Johnson
In a message dated 7/30/2009 8:21:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
sean(a)silentflame.com writes:
Greetings,
The IRC Group Contacts decided last year to hold a surgery every three
months where general IRC matters could be brought up for discussion in
an environment in which IRC people able to put those into action
(which includes all the contacts themselves) were present and
involved. Regrettably it took just over a year for the second meeting
to be organised, but this pattern will not be repeated!
Therefore we invite you to visit
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts/Meetings/August_2009>
and sign up for the meeting if you are someone interested in how IRC
runs and especially if you are responsible for one or more channels.
That page will shortly contain procedural information on how we intend
to structure the meeting to get the most out of it. For convenience, I
shall note that the meeting is at 1900Z on 3rd August 2009 in
#wikimedia-irc-meetings on freenode.
Yours,
Sean Whitton (seanw on IRC)
For the IRC Group Contacts
I have posted this message to the main public mailing lists to which I
subscribe and would appreciate circulation of the meeting's existence
to as many other languages/projects as possible as this is open to all
- but please note that the meeting will be held in English.
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Greetings,
The IRC Group Contacts decided last year to hold a surgery every three
months where general IRC matters could be brought up for discussion in
an environment in which IRC people able to put those into action
(which includes all the contacts themselves) were present and
involved. Regrettably it took just over a year for the second meeting
to be organised, but this pattern will not be repeated!
Therefore we invite you to visit
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts/Meetings/August_2009>
and sign up for the meeting if you are someone interested in how IRC
runs and especially if you are responsible for one or more channels.
That page will shortly contain procedural information on how we intend
to structure the meeting to get the most out of it. For convenience, I
shall note that the meeting is at 1900Z on 3rd August 2009 in
#wikimedia-irc-meetings on freenode.
Yours,
Sean Whitton (seanw on IRC)
For the IRC Group Contacts
I have posted this message to the main public mailing lists to which I
subscribe and would appreciate circulation of the meeting's existence
to as many other languages/projects as possible as this is open to all
- but please note that the meeting will be held in English.
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Wikimedia IRC community,
I invite you to read the following announcement and then, if you wish
to discuss it, join us on meta at
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:IRC/Group_Contacts/Noticeboard>.
I am pleased to announce that the IRC Group Contacts team has been
changed over to a new group with a strong manifesto. James Forrester,
previously chair of the group, has stepped down due to real life
commitments inhibiting him from being as active as he once was. On
behalf of everyone who uses IRC I'd like to thank him for all the work
he has put into the role, and personally I thank him for his guidance
while I was deputy IRC Group Contact in fulfilling the role as best as
possible; it was invaluable advice.
With James leaving the post of chair, I have taken on this role and I
now have three new deputies: Casey Brown [[m:User:Cbrown1023]] kibble
on IRC, Filip Maljkovic [[m:User:Dungodung]] dungodung on IRC, and
Ryan [[m:User:Rjd0060]] Rjd0060 on IRC. James and I, with the
involvement of these three and a small team of other IRC
representatives and functionaries, chose these three as people we know
and trust enough to be able to work with, and as users who we feel
suit the Group Contact role well, and of course who have the time and
motivation to carry out the job.
What is the role of the Group Contact, then, that I have just
mentioned? We have set this down for ourselves far more rigorously
than before. Over late 2008 to early 2009 the levels of service from
James and I have been very poor compared to what is rightly expected
by the community - we appreciate that things have been poor. So the
new group has come up with ways of trying to engage with everyone
involved in IRC more. We intend to try to touch base with our Channel
Contacts significantly more often, first by encouraging them to join
us in #wikimedia-ops (#wikimedia-irc has been closed and redirected to
-ops to try and centralise discussion). They already do a great job
but we feel they could benefit from greater support from the Group
Contacts. We intend to be around more to be involved in discussions,
but we are going to try and remain laid back in terms of using
authority directly: the fact that power is delegated to channel
contacts and their operator teams, we feel, is an important part of
IRC running smoothly.
On a technical note, I am in fact the only Group Contact recognised by
freenode at the moment to perform technical actions like the setting
of cloaks and taking over of inactive channels. We hope that freenode
will get the other contacts approved soon but we have no ETA on this
and the queue is roughly four years long. We have in the past received
special treatment for being a large project on the network, but we
haven't been told there's any reason why we'd get this this time. So
for the moment please be patient while technical GC work is funnelled
by the whole team to me. Our requests for the other GCs to be
recognised have, however, been submitted into the queue.
On another technical note, you may see the nick wmfgc around freenode
- this is an account used to hold GC priviledges, since there are now
many of us who may need access to it.
We intend to hold a Group Contact Surgery, per [[m:IRC Group
Contacts/Surgeries]], soon in order that issues from the community can
be discussed with other IRC users and contacts around.
All of the major IRC channel contacts and the IRC Group Contacts can
now be reached on <irc-contacts(a)lists.wikimedia.org>.
If you just need to contact a GC there is also
<irc-contacts-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org>.
Sean Whitton [[m:User:Sean Whitton]] seanw on IRC
for the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts
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Hello,
The relicensing process is underway. This means we have only 2 months
to help GFDL wikis that want Wikipedia compatibility to follow suit.
The clause that allows GFDL wikis to be relicensed to CC-BY-SA 3
expires on August 1 of this year.
I am crossposting this from the licensing thread on foundation-l
because it is important and time sensitive.
While the intent behind the August 1 sunset clause provision was to
"offer[] all wiki maintainers ample time to make their decision", this
has not yet worked out in practice. Many GFDL-licensed wiki
maintainers haven't looked at GFDL 1.3, aren't fully aware of
Wikipedia's decision to relicense, and have no idea there are hard
deadlines involved; nor have they though through the implications for
their current contributions to / reuse of Wikipedia. (I myself had
plans to organize an import of Medpedia content into WP before
realizing that this is not possible unless they choose to relicense --
even though as of today both are GFDL wikis.)
Please help add to the list and contact those that you know:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GFDL_relicensing
A selection of large GFDL wikis that have not confirmed plans to
change their licenses:
Enciclopedia Libre
PlanetMath
Sourcewatch, congresspedia
the International Music Score Library Project
实用查询Wiki (ReferenceWiki, cn.18dao.net)
湖北百科 (wiki.027.cn)
WikiZnanie
Medpedia, WikiDoc
WikiTimeScale
Vikidia
I've seen a few short discussions on Wikia wikis, but nothing
conclusive... any updates there?
Smaller wikis are more likely to be unaware of the relicensing
decision or implications... and more likely to have been swayed by
"the license Wikipedia is using" when making their initial decision.
There are hundreds of them with great educational material, more than
the dozens listed on meta so far. In particular, I expect there are
many more Chinese, German, Japanese and Russian wikis out there... I
hope we can manage to reach most of them.
Recently Robert Rhode said:
> The migration is an incentive to other sites to also relicense.
> Given that, it behooves us to get moving early enough that other sites
> will also have time to react before the deadline. Seeing the changes
> we make will also give them a blueprint to what they may need to do.
> Incidentally, the news coverage of this event so far has been quite
> limited, which makes it more important that we have an outreach effort
> to communicate what is happening to other GFDL projects that may wish
> to change.
The second point makes sense. We do need more outreach; a long-term
sitenotice for anons would be appropriate -- with links to how to
relicense your own wiki, and what this means for reuse of Wikimedia
material / importing your own into an article.
Mainstream press coverage would be nice - perhaps after seeing which
other large wikis are planning to switch as well.
SJ
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* to be precise, when the license switch takes effect in mid-June,
externally-sourced GFDL content will be made retroactively
incompatible with Wikimedia projects back to November 2008. We have
until August 1 to show partner sites how to relicense so that we
remain compatible.
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Ting Chen <wing.philopp(a)gmx.de> wrote:
> Amir Elisha Aharoni wrote:
>> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 21:09, Yoni Weiden <yonidebest(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The question is - shouldn't there be one set of standards for all
>>> Wikipedias?
Perhaps for issues so important that they demand standardization. We
roughly try to do this for truly core policies, legal updates, &c.
Are TV-program-episode notability guidelines are one of those highly
important standards? I'm not so sure.
>> I do think that there should be one set of standards for all
>> languages. But it may be hard to enforce it on an existing community.
>
> No, because we are not able to reach a concensus across all the language
> communities. Thus each project community should reach their own
> concensus. Personally I find this diversity also a very good thing
> because one can always get ideas from other projects, good ones to
> follow, bad ones to avoid or to change.
Yes. I do think that over a longer period of time good policies for
which there is some benefit to standardization can become standard for
the larger global community. We should probably have a more definite
process for this. So far it hasn't been a critical issue (though
freeness of images has made as good an argument as any discussion I've
seen so far).
>> implications, but it is next to impossible to enforce Notability or
>> Verifiability policies.
Again, this is also true within one project. It is only 1-2
magnitudes harder across projects, not necessarily different in
quality. [this process would be easier if the cross-wiki policy
pageson meta were clearer and easier to add to, it is true. I copy
the underused wikimediameta list for the sake of propriety...]
>> Few he-wikipedians care about it, but he.wikipedia did quite well for
>> several years without a clear written policy on any of the following:
>> Living People, Notability, Original Research and Verifiability. All
>> decisions on these matters are made ad hoc. To our friends from
>> en.wikipedia it must seem surreal :)
>>
> No, this is the ideal state. Actually I don't like written rules. Rules
> are dead things and often they don't really fit to the actual situation.
> If one can discuss every case and reach a concensus without a fix rule
> this is for me the best case. But this only works in a relatively small
> community and doesn't fit a very big and diverse community.
+1 (this is true whether the unwritten rules are 'across many wikis'
or just 'for your one wiki'... or just understood among editors in a
given subject area.)
SJ
Cary meant to send this here, but messed up because of our very
confusing name. :-)
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From: Cary Bass <cary(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Subject: [Foundation-l] Steward elections confirmed
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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Hi all,
After confirming with the board, I am pleased to congratulate the
following contributors on passing their recent steward elections:
Meno25
Erwin
Kylu
Laaknor
Mike.lifeguard
Leinad
Dorgan
Alexanderps
Mardetanha
Thanks to all who participated, including those that did not meet the
80% community standard. I encourage all candidates, both those who
passed and those who failed, constructively take a look at any helpful
comments left at their steward elections, and continue doing the
wonderful jobs that you all have been doing helping us and the projects.
Cary Bass
Volunteer Coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation
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Please circulate this call among Wikimedia communities, researchers
and other people that may be interested! This call is also online at
http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Participation
== Call for Participation ==
Wikimania is an annual global event devoted to Wikimedia projects
around the globe (including Wikipedia, Wikibooks, Wikisource,
Wikinews, Wiktionary, Wikiversity, Wikiquote, Wikispecies, and
Wikimedia Commons). The conference is a community gathering, giving
the editors and users of Wikimedia projects an opportunity to meet
each other, exchange ideas, report on research and projects, and
collaborate on the future of the projects. The conference is open to
the public, and is a chance for educators, researchers, programmers
and free culture activists who are interested in the Wikimedia
projects to learn more and share ideas about the Wikimedia projects.
This year's conference will be held from '''August 26-28''' in Buenos
Aires, Argentina at '''San Martín Cultural Center'''.
For more information, please visit the official Wikimania 2009 site at
http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org.
We are accepting submissions for presentations, workshops, panels,
posters, open space discussions, and artistic works related to the
Wikimedia projects or free content topics in general. Please carefully
follow the submission guidelines below.
=== Important dates ===
* '''Submissions will open on:''' March 1
* '''Deadline for submitting workshop, panel, and presentation
submissions:''' April 15
* '''Deadline for submitting posters, open space discussions, and
artistic works:''' April 30
* '''Notification of acceptance of workshops, panels, presentations:''' May 15
* '''Notification of acceptance of posters, discussions, and artistic
works:''' May 31
* '''Conference dates:''' August 26-28
=== Themes and tracks ===
There are two tracks for submission: the '''Casual Track''', for
members of wiki communities and interested observers to share their
own experiences and thoughts and to present new ideas; and the
'''Academic Track''', for research based on the methods of scientific
studies exploring the social, content or technical aspects of
Wikipedia, the other Wikimedia projects, or other massively
collaborative works, as well as open and free content creation and
community dynamics more generally.
Submissions to either track should address one or more of the following themes:
* '''"Wikimedia Communities,"''' including the topics of conflict
resolution and community dynamics; reputation and identity;
multi-lingualism and languages and cultures.
* '''"Free Knowledge,"''' including open access to information; ways
to gather and distribute free knowledge, use of the Wikimedia projects
in education, journalism, research; ways to improve content quality
and usability.
* '''"Latin American challenges,"''' centering on efforts and
limitations for expanding the reach of Wikimedia projects in Latin
America; promotion of projects in Native American languages; specific
problems of the Spanish and Portuguese-speaking Wikimedia communities.
* '''"Technical infrastructure,"''' including issues related to
MediaWiki development and extensions; Wikimedia's technical
infrastructure; and new ideas for development.
Papers should be of interest to members of the Wikimedia communities,
and fit within one of the themes above.
=== Types of Submissions ===
We are seeking submissions for:
* '''Presentations''' (10–30 minute talks with discussion afterwards)
:* This type of submission is appropriate for presenting substantial
research or community projects
* '''Workshops''' (60–120 minute session with a discussion leader and
more audience involvement)
:* This type of submission is appropriate for sessions designed to
teach a specific subject or explore it in depth
* '''Panels''' (group of 2-5 speakers to discuss aspects of a topic
with audience questions, 45-90 minute sessions)
:* This type of submission is appropriate for discussions on a topic
of wide interest among community members, with several participants
who may be presenting their work. For less formal discussions of
limited interest, consider an open space discussion instead.
* '''Open space discussions''' (informal discussion on a specific
topic; the discussion leader helps moderate the conversation but the
session is open to anyone interested to join in)
:* This type of submission is good for a topic that several
participants want to discuss or brainstorm about in an informal
setting
* '''Posters''' (printed visual displays that can stand on their own,
with no associated presentation)
:* This type of submission is good for presenting research in
progress, or smaller community projects
* '''Artistic works''' (plays, competitions, comedy, visualizations,
displays or other representations of some aspect of the projects)
:* This type of submission is good for showing creativity or
showcasing beautiful work about the projects.
In addition there will be the chance to give lightning talks, which
are 5-minute short presentations. Lightning talk sessions will be
organized on the Wikimania 2009 wiki shortly before the conference
begins, without any need to submit them via the submission system.
These talks are best for those who want to quickly present an idea or
project without giving a formal presentation. These are informal talks
that are open to everyone to participate in.
=== Submission Guidelines ===
Wikimania is organized by volunteers, so please help us minimize
wasted effort by submitting via the submission system and following
these guidelines. All submissions MUST include the following:
# '''Event title:''' an English or Spanish title.
# '''Abstract:''' a short English or Spanish abstract of your event in
50 to 100 words. The abstract will be used for the public schedule.
# '''Themes and track:''' list the track you wish to submit to (Casual
or Academic) and the single theme you think your submission fits in
best (Wikimedia Communities, Free Knowledge, Latin American
challenges, Technical infrastructure). Note that posters and artistic
works have their own track in the submission system.
# '''Information about the speaker:''' full name, email, and a short biography.
# '''Submission file:''' A plain text, PDF or OpenDocument file, in
English or Spanish, containing:
#* '''A long description of the submission''', in English or Spanish
that can be used for reviewing, not to exceed 1000 words. Please give
an overview of the areas to be covered or taught. State clearly the
relevance to the Wikimedia projects and whether submission concerns a
specific wiki project. You can also include links, Include graphics an
diagrams if they do not exceed one page.
#* '''Event type:''' please state if the event is a presentation,
workshop, panel, open space discussion, poster, or artistic work; if a
presentation or panel, whether the presentation is expected to be a
certain length.
#* '''For panel submissions only:''' name of a suggested moderator and
short biographies of each suggested panelist
#* '''Language:''' list the language you plan to present in. The
conference will be bilingual in English and Spanish.
#* '''Special requirements:''' list any special requirements,
including any equipment.
In the "Comments for conference director" field you should tell us
whether you will attend to Wikimania (a) surely, (b) probably, (c)
only if your submission is accepted, or (d) only if we provide travel
and/or accommodation. You can also add yourself to the public list of
attendees at the Wikimania 2009 wiki:
http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees
Please note that all submissions must be dual licensed under the GNU
Free Documentation License version 1.2 or later ''and'' the Creative
Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 3.0! By submitting for Wikimania
2009 you agree to this condition.
===Submissions===
Once you are sure you have included all of the required information,
please send your submission before the respective deadline through our
'''submission system''':
http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submission
If you have further questions, email wikimania-program(a)wikimedia.org
(in English or Spanish).
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From: Andrew Garrett <andrew(a)werdn.us>
Date: Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Subject: [Wikitech-l] Wider trials of Abuse Filter
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hi all,
After a few weeks on test.wikipedia.org, the Abuse Filter is rolling
out for wider testing. For the moment, it's active on MediaWiki.org,
but we're interested in deploying it to other small projects
interested in targetting pattern vandalism.
The Abuse Filter extension allows very specific rules to be defined
about the sorts of edits that may be made. It can take actions in
response to edits ranging from simple tagging of an edit with a
special mark indicating it needs extra attention, all the way up to
emergency desysopping. Projects can ask for any subset, or all of
these actions to be enabled on their wiki, and for advanced
permissions to be required to use the higher-level ones.
The extension includes considerable useful tools for testing and
debugging filters, and for evaluating their performance. A study last
year indicated that a particular filter, if applied in August 2007,
would have blocked 60% of all page-move vandalism on English Wikipedia
over the subsequent year, with just five false positives (0.6%).
Primarily we're looking at the performance impact of the extension, so
English Wikipedia (which the extension was written for) can't quite
have it yet (as we're not sure that it will perform adequately under
such high load). If other medium or small projects such as Meta,
Commons, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikisource and similar are interested
in deploying this extension, they're free to develop a rough consensus
and request deployment on Bugzilla.
If, after a few weeks, we find that the extension seems to work fine,
we can hopefully deploy it on English Wikipedia (hooray!).
Thanks!
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