New subject: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2

12 Jan 2012

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From: Arnav Chaudhary &lt;arnavchaudhary(a)gmail.com&gt;
Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2
To: Ashwin Baindur &lt;ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com&gt;

Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list
of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start
checking references after 3 hours.

So didnt reply.

Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now.
Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.

Regards,
Arnav Chaudhary
+91-9049039013

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur
&lt;ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote:

...
  Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall
go through every
 reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised at
 what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.

 Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
 * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
 * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
 * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date so
 can't task you. Sorry!

 Warm regards,

 Ashwin Baindur
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 On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay <
 debastein(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

  Question: Do we necessarily go through all the
references and see if the
 text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we
 feel are non-reliable sources.

 On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur &lt;ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com
  wrote: 
  Correction, For "fart of GAs" read
"raft of GAs".

 Warm regards,

 Ashwin Baindur
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 On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
 ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

  In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a
campaign to take an
 article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now
 unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being
 derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and
 referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require
 serious amount of work to be restored to that status.

 Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most
 suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in.

 Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which is
 part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled without
 too much of our work being undone in the rewrite.

 Referencing involves a number of things.

    1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference or a
    {{cn}} tag placed.
    2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] (reliable
    sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no ref can be
    found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where references could
    not be found need to be deleted.
    3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference needs to
    be checked -
       1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited
       reference.
       2. The material written in the article is an NPOV representation
       of the cited material in the reference.
    4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite
    templated reference with adequate details available in the reference.

 Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required for
 newbies or those who have not read the page before:

    - [[WP:REFBEGIN]]
    - [[WP:CITE]]
    - [[WP:RS]]

 After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill in
 the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for use
 and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are:

 <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink=
 |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url=
 |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>

 <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work=
 |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>

 <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= |year=
 |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi=
 |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>

 <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date=
 |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>

 Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with
 preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded
 into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it will
 create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple.

 For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, to
 show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the
 circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link:

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%2…

 If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get the
 following url:

http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks…

 which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation:

 <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude
 Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url=
 http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58|accessdate=10Janu…
2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent
 Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref>

 which, when used in an article, will result in the following citation:

*^<http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0>
 * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian
Gandhi*<http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58>g=PA58>.
 Permanent Black. pp. 58–.
ISBN<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number>

978-81-7824-155-5<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-8…-5>.
 Retrieved 10 January 2012.

 COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and expand
 it/delete it/correct it as required.

 Warm regards,

 Ashwin Baindur
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 --
 Regards,
 Debanjan*

 - Lets make this world a better and more informative place*