Thomas

If we call them 'Technical Assistants (to the Board)' then we can still
say that the Board is all-volunteer.

Ian


On Mon, August 13, 2018 3:38 am, Thomas Shafee wrote:
> I think that here is minimal harm in a small compensation to the
> positions who do additional off-wiki work. The main risk is that it
> de-motivates volunteers if they feel that they are doing the same work
> that others are paid for.
>
> Hence it would be important to clearly define what any paid work is, and
> that it is to reduce workload on others.
>
> The official duties of the EiC are well defined, with additional
> responsibilities for e.g. paperwork for indexing services, managing
> web-addresses.
>
> I'd actually be particularly interested in paying the assistant EiCs (or
> creating non-editorial position like 'technical assistant') and defining
> specific tasks for them e.g.:
>
> - Contacting potential authors based on a list of topics and email
> addresses
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-2jGMgF-16AgMAWnDxPG01PWDwX01BTj
> o_xfsHr-aAw/edit#gid=0> - Updating the tracking table
> <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Potential_upcoming
> _articles>
> - Processing published articles (doi, add to page, etc)
> - Formatting published PDFs
>
>
> There is certainly precedent within WikiMedia projects for contributors
> with significant off-wiki responsibilities to be compensated. Even
> Wikimedia Australia chapter has a budget of 33k
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Simple/Applications/Wikimedia_Aust
> ralia/2018#Budget_and_resource_plan>. However we would no longer be able

> to use phrases like 'fully volunteer editorial board'.
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
>
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 at 21:57 Daniele Pugliesi
> <daniele.pugliesi@wikimedia.it>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Regarding the proposal to pay editor and reviewers, I would be happy to
>>  be paid because at the moment I have a lot of other job to do and not
>> have so much time to dedicate to WIkiJournal of Science, but in case
>> this activity becomes a job, I would be very happy to spend more time
>> and efforts on it and less time on other jobs.
>>
>> Daniele Pugliesi
>>
>>
>>
>> Il 2018-08-11 22:45 Mikael Häggström ha scritto:
>>
>>> I have hence received one other disagreeing reply from a board
>>> member, but I assumed the result by agreeing by the points raised by
>>> ML.
>>> However, let's indeed wait for some further replies before concluding
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Mikael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Jackie Koerner
>>> <jackie.koerner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mikael,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only one member of the Boards has thus far disagreed in this email
>>>> thread. Have there been others who have responded to you directly?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jackie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>> Jackie Koerner, Ph.D.
>>>> Researcher & Visiting Scholar
>>>> jackiekoerner.com [1]
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Mikael Häggström
>>>> <editor.in.chief@wikijmed.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Very well, so it seems we won't add this to next year's grant
>>>> proposal. I'm still keeping it in mind as a last resort if the
>>>> administrative backlogs are further increasing, but I also hope
>>>> that the alternative of having a hired associate editor will
>>>> decrease the burden significantly anyways.
>>>>
>>>> I also forward a response from Diptanshu on this matter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mikael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:49 PM, Dr. Diptanshu Das
>>>> <das.diptanshu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mikael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I strongly oppose your proposal of such a compensation. Thanks
>>>> Michael for already having put the salient points prior to me.
>>>> WikiJournal is not just another journal system the expenses of which
>>>>  are borne by Wikimedia Foundation. We are more. We are built on
>>>> the principles of Wikipedia. Those who do not have any association
>>>> with the free knowledge movement or who are not associated with such
>>>>  collaborative contribution would simply not understand this. Our
>>>> objective should be to attract candidates who are not familiar with
>>>>  the free knowledge movement. So, I assume that being a volunteer
>>>> is a pre-requisite. Michael is right in pointing out that if we
>>>> cannot make the project run on volunteers, perhaps we need to
>>>> reconsider the model.
>>>>
>>>> I need to mention that over the last several years the sister
>>>> project affiliation committee has not approved a single sister
>>>> project (barring Wikidata which was approved entirely on different
>>>> grounds) because the projects have not proved themselves fit to be
>>>> run by volunteers alone and that granting Wikiversity the status of
>>>>  sister project has been considered one of the biggest blunders of
>>>> the WMF.
>>>>
>>>> Please forward this email to the respective boards of which I am
>>>> not a member.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Diptanshu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 at 13:22, Michaël Laurent
>>>> <michael.laurent@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Personally I disagree. There are numerous projects within the
>>>> Wikimedia foundation and most of them rely on volunteers. If we
>>>> cannot expand it to a critical mass without throwing money at it
>>>> perhaps we should first reconsider the model.
>>>>
>>>> Again I propose to look at some of the Frontiers journals. They
>>>> have a huge board of reviewers facilitating peer review. Perhaps we
>>>> should invite more editors too.
>>>>
>>>> BW ML
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Op vr 10 aug. 2018 22:54 schreef Jackie Koerner
>>>> <jackie.koerner@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think this is a very reasonable proposal. I do think this should
>>>> be discussed annually in case we need to adjust to be a more
>>>> appropriate amount. This would be, say as workload and demands
>>>> increase, or as budget overall increases, the stipend might be
>>>> adjusted.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jackie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Koerner, Ph.D.
>>>> Researcher & Visiting Scholar
>>>> jackiekoerner.com [1]
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Mikael Häggström
>>>> <editor.in.chief@wikijmed.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello again,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have informed the board at WikiJMed that I would prefer to see
>>>> someone with more time than me to be the editor-in-chief when my term
>>>> ends by New Year, and the Assistant editor-in-chief has expressed a
>>>> similar attitude to it. Yet, the only other candidate to the
>>>> editor-in-chief position has also expressed reluctance to it. For
>>>> the long term survival of the journals I think we need to add a
>>>> monetary compensation to editor-in-chiefs, and practically also to
>>>> add an incentive to apply to this position.
>>>>
>>>> I think an annual compensation of let's say $2000 for each
>>>> editor-in-chief and $1000 for each assistant would be a humble start
>>>>  as part of the grant application for next year, especially
>>>> considering that average salaries for editors-in-chief in the US
>>>> are about $85.000 (link [2]) and $57.000 for assistants (link) [3].
>>>> Also, it is very humble comparing to the generally $100.000+ that
>>>> many people make within Wikimedia Foundation (link [4]), and the
>>>> income of $91 million that Wikimedia Foundation received in 2017
>>>> (link) [5]. Thus, we can definitely adjust this amount further in
>>>> the future depending on the success of this grant application.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mikael
>>>>
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