From: erik_moeller(a)gmx.de (Erik Moeller) Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org> Date: 26 Feb 2004 01:39:00 +0100 To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Plautus Jimmy- Plautus is not reformable. He is a mentally unbalanced, paranoid delusional individual. The evidence here is about as clear as it can get. There is a discussion / evidence page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Plautus_satire In an informal poll, 23 users have expressed that they want Plautus to be banned. 3 or 4 users currently think that he can be reformed. This situation is much clearer than it was with Clutch, and Clutch was banned. It is much clearer than it was with Helga, and Helga was banned. It is much clearer than it was with Lir, and Lir was banned. I am all for due process. But this is not a case for mediation. I am beginning to doubt the capabilities of the arbitration committee. If they can't see that a user who writes messages like "UNBAN ME YOU FUCKING IGNORANT ASSHOLE" is a candidate for a ban, then they should not be allowed to make such decisions in the first place. We need quicker and more effective action against policy violations, or more users will be driven away in disgust. Wikipedia is a natural attraction point for cranks and crackpots. If you want to run an asylum, Jimbo, you should say so upfront. Otherwise we should refer these individuals to the proper institutions. Regards, Erik _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

We can't decide whether somebody is a cadidate for a ban unless somebody asks us to decide it, you know.

Lee- No. You only accept cases for arbitration unless Jimbo explicitly refers them to you. This should be changed immediately. Jimbo is not involved enough in the day-to-day workings of the community to make these referral decisions. How fast can you fix that? If we are talking about weeks rather than days it's time to return to vigilantism.

Because arbitration is the end of a long, painful process that has taken

Lee- No. You only accept cases for arbitration unless Jimbo explicitly refers them to you. This should be changed immediately. Jimbo is not involved enough in the day-to-day workings of the community to make these referral decisions. How fast can you fix that? If we are talking about weeks rather than days it's time to return to vigilantism.

On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 19:39, Erik Moeller wrote: Something interesting to note: Lir is unbanned, he doesn't not participate in reversion wars.