Ok, so I voted to have the FA status removed from the article.Also, if you
payed attention, I said "Coming as a neutral party, I looked at the website
in question. IMHO, I do not think we should have a link to there. Also, in
fairness, we could start trimming other links to various forums and other
websites. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:28, 22 August 2005 (UTC)" Tren himself
responded to my statement as "more 2 -sided. Despite ZScout370 not giving
reasons for his view above, I credit the balance in what he is trying to do
by removing (qhile I was writing this!) the entire block of community sites
and forcing a rethink on them and their balance." I did remove the links to
all of the froums since we do not have to have every single stinking forum
about Asperger's (which, I have anyways), and how every person who has it is
coping with it. I, also, have removed a link to a school that is
"developing," since I saw it as a promo. I also said "Note, my suggestion
for removal of the links is due to the page, to me, sounding like a forum.
And, there are countless of those dealing with this community. While if
there are sites who oppose the community in a way that is scientific, we
should have a link. But, overall, there could be a bunch of links that could
be removed. I suggest, as a community, figure out what should stay and
should go. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:44, 22 August 2005 (UTC)"
As for the vote I performed, I stand by it and I will not change it. If the
article is still going to be full of edit wars and have that POV tag at the
top of the page, it does not deserve FA status and should be removed until
the problems are solved.
Regards,
Zachary Harden (Zscout370)
From: Ryan Norton <wxprojects(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: [WikiEN-l] A cry to save the Asperger's Syndrome page
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:02:04 -0700
Hi,
This was an otherwise great article that as of late (the past 3 days) has
seen excessive edit warring and POV entries injected into it. Now it has
been (predictably) set up for removal as a featured article.
All of this is due to a single user, Tern, who continually injects this
passage
"These things illustrate how AS appears to correlate with child
authorship, hence a number of aspie communities have a concerned awareness
of the terrible injustice an aspie child can suffer when the
[
http://www.phad-fife.org.uk/recognition.html chance to achieve child
authorship] is unfairly wrecked by high-handed [[school]] pressures."
and links to a very controversial site which nearly everyone else
describes as a "hate site", which other editors are editing anonymously to
avoid being listed on.
The link above in question is merely the rantings of a 14-year-old person
with Asperger's Syndrome who could not get a scifi book published (and
some other editors also claim that Tern is the person referenced there)-
so initially users (before I came in the debate) just reverted the passage
and noted on the talk page that it needed to be reworded to be less POV
and needed a better reference. However, as evidenced by the history page
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/
index.php?title=Asperger%27s_syndrome&curid=37556&action=history
Tern continued to revert back to his version many, many times against MANY
other editors who reached their 3 revert limit VERY quickly (reverts often
happen within 10 minutes!). So, out of desperation the other users
attempted to reword the passage in order to be less pov and accurate,
including myself - however, this was not enough and Tern continued to
revert back to his version.
Some of his edit summaries have been very hurtful and involve personal
attacks, such as
"sysops look how this rv of haters' vandalism gives new consensual edits
to both items"
"the last attack made here, the public can see is blatant personally
malicious bullying against wikpedia's rules and illegal in intending to
suppress prevention of child cruelty"
"creatively revert the llast absurdity, cos it's obviously just an
irresponsible personal insult and not verified"
Tern has also accused other editors of "hurting children" on the talk
page.
Tern has violated 3RR at least 3 times, and depending on how you want to
do the math many more times
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/
3RR#User:Tern
I'm just a participant in the war and have reached my 3RR limit twice
already, and I've filed the 3RR against Tern. I WANT to work with the
user, but the user needs to calm down and discuss with more sense about
what he wants to do with the page, not just revert other good faith
editors. I've tried notifying two admins without response on the issue
also - and one admin - Zscout370 - simply voted to remove the article from
FA status and not get in the debate with the user.
I'm the one who brought the Autism article to its Featured Article status
and used this article as a reference more or less on how to do it, so its
really a pity to see this happen - I'd hate to see it lose its status
because of a war with one user.
Thanks,
RN
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