The question is not one of Censorship but of Editorial Control and are the photos, etc helping us meet our mission - which is to become an trusted encyclopedic source of information. Two thoughts: 1) The assumption that adults would not be offended by seeing this photo inline is naive - just because I want to learn about something doesn't mean I want to see it performed (whether that be autofellatio or beheadings or whatever) - in fact IMHO wanting to learn about something by going to an encylopedia should imply that a scholarly or educational view of the subject is desired - for a Mass Media interpretation - one would just use google (or their favorite search engine). And if one really wanted to see it - use an image search. 2) Students *should* have access to educational articles of this type. I have a distinct memory of looking up "fellatio" in a dictionary at my school library. I had no stomach for asking my mom or dad what the word meant - and I didn't trust my fellow students enough to take them at their word. I didn't need a picture to understand (though I may have wanted one). =Summary= I have been using wikipedia for some time (though I only recently started actively editing) and am concerned that the mission to provide a repository of generally accessible information is being changed so that it won't be generally acceptable (and thus not accessible either). The great thing about a web based encyclopedia is that with one click can provide additional information about a subject (or see a picture of it, etc) for those that want it. These arguments about using your browser correctly, accusations of censorship, etc miss the point and the mission of wikipedia. Like James, I have been recommeding wikipedia to many (though in my case it is adults aged 30-70 with most in the 50-70 range*). If we can't come to a concensus that includes a 1) generally acceptable standard with 2) links to the additional (possibly offensive material), I won't be able to keep making that recommendation. ==QUESTION== Why is the compromise offered by those that find such material offensive, i.e. "To not include it inline but make it accessible by a link" not considered a reasonable? Jim (trodel(a)gmail.com) [[User:Trödel]] *These are generally intelligent people who usually already have a computer but they have heard of spyware, viruses, porn, etc. and are not sure they want to make the transition to "always on" access to the internet. "Won't people be able to snoop into my computer?" is a typical question. Currently, I setup firefox, install spyware protection software, install a web-meeting software so if they have a problem they can call me and I can help, and setup bookmarks based on their interest, which currently always include wikipedia. > "Regarding the recent brouhaha over the photos, what > I'll say is this. If Wikipedia decides as a community > it will display explicit photos of sexual acts, then I > won't stop editing, but I'm afraid I'll have to stop > recommending it to most of the people I currently > recommend it to (normally families with bright teenage > children, given my work in a high school). You can > call me, my friends, and my acquaintances all the > names you like (compare us to Nazis, if Godwin will > let you), but those are the cold hard facts." > > I agree with these sentiments, James. >

1) The assumption that adults would not be offended by seeing this photo inline is naive - just because I want to learn about something doesn't mean I want to see it performed (whether that be autofellatio or beheadings or whatever) - in fact IMHO wanting to learn about something by going to an encylopedia should imply that a scholarly or educational view of the subject is desired - for a Mass Media interpretation - one would just use google (or their favorite search engine). And if one really wanted to see it - use an image search.

2) Students *should* have access to educational articles of this type. I have a distinct memory of looking up "fellatio" in a dictionary at my school library. I had no stomach for asking my mom or dad what the word meant - and I didn't trust my fellow students enough to take them at their word. I didn't need a picture to understand (though I may have wanted one).

==QUESTION== Why is the compromise offered by those that find such material offensive, i.e. "To not include it inline but make it accessible by a link" not considered a reasonable?