EofT is totally out of control. He wrote the following on my talk page: " User:RK has several times tried to shove whole debates onto my talk pages, and not onto my /ban page where it would go if he had a real issue with me, but into new files he created. This eventually ended up at Community case:RK where those who dislike /ban pages are now considering ditching it all. So RK doesn't respect conventions, nor my talk space. I owe him no respect in return. Beyond that, my comments were only about this one article he posted, and if you look at that article, you will see a link to "discuss this page". I clicked on it, and ended up at the page I dutifully posted on, so anyone else discussing the article could find it. So I don't consider this disrespectful - which shoving it in the face of every reader of his User_talk page would be. Third, and more like an in-joke, referring only to an earlier joke I made on that page, RK has accussed me of harassment, hate speech, etc., in a series of lying and libelling posts to the mailing list - this is persistent behaviour of his and he does it to others, often, and sees conspiracies where really there is just a common consensus on civility. So if everything I say on certain topics is to be understood as harassment, hate speech, sickness, etc., then, I am free to adopt those labels freely to describe what I am about to say about his politics, or (worst) to describe his politics. After all, RK is not being banned for using those words, so why should I be? When he's banned for his behaviour, I shall certainly take the lesson and never call anything "hatespeech" or "harassment" under his criteria. Until then, I think everyone should call anything they don't like by those words. EofT " RickK --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Robert wrote: Would you PLEASE refrain from making such sweeping generalizations in the future? I, for one, not only have no stated opinion about EoT, but actually have been away from Wikipedia for most of the last few days. The only support I have extended to anyone is a new member who has undertaken adding some templates to the articles about rulers of Persia. And the only harassment I have given anyone is an individual who claims to be President of the US, when he visited Portland the other day. But since that was in real life, & not as part of my contributions to Wikipedia, I doubt anyone here was affected. Geoff