Abe, now that you've got an idea how things work around here, how about signing up with a new name? "172" isn't really a username anyway, and people will probably be more accomodating when they do not get the feeling that they are dealing with a number. Besides, a fresh start is often a good idea. In any case, please elaborate on why you want to be an administrator, and how you intend to use these privileges. Regards, Erik

Basically (except for Mav) this is the same tag team (Tannin and User:Jtdirl|ÉÍREman) who supported 172 in his efforts to protray Communist history from a sympathetic point of view. 172 is the one who deleted the reference to Tiananmen Square from the China article. All three then engaged in a protracted edit war to prevent a link to [[authoritarianism and totalitarianism]] from the China article by creating a sanitized article on the [[communist state]] which they strongly defended. Their activity is no different from those who think they can deny the holocaust. If you will look at the history of [[China]] and [[communist state]] you will see that their efforts at editing consist of endless reverts to their own point of view and minimal discussion of the issues at hand. Fred From: Abe Sokolov &lt;sokolov47(a)yahoo.com&gt; Reply-To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:44:46 -0700 (PDT) To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] administrator's status I do have support for becoming an admin. I’d like to refer to the below comments posted on my talk page at http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:172 : BTW, to become an admin, you need to send an email to the mailing list. (Sing out if you don't know how to do this.) You were ''persona non-grata'' there in the early days. Indeed, the reason I originally signed up for the list was to (a) speak in your defence, and (b) make a plea to ban Vera bloody Cruz. (And I firmly believe that time has proved me 100% right on both counts!) But that was quite some time ago, and I'm sure your stocks have risen considerably since then. I'll certainly speak up for you: your contribution to the history sections here has been outstanding. [[User:Tannin|Tannin]] Thanks. I have been having major technical problems here. And it has been difficult getting on to wiki. I wrote something on a talk page at 3.30pm today but could only get onto wiki to put it on at 10pm tonight! I got a new digital camera so I spent a couple of days walking around Dublin talking pictures for wiki articles. (See [[Irish Houses of Parliament]]) God what so of wikiholic am I!!! I see the latest of Adam's trolls have disappeared. I think our 'no holes barred' attitude is working. Once he is rumbled, he knows the game is up and we will tolerate no messing! Anyway, thanks for the message. BTW you have my full support in joining admin. [[User:Jtdirl|ÉÍREman]] 21:57 May 3, 2003 (UTC) ----- We've had our differences and I still think you are not able to see your own POV sometimes (especially by selective presentation) but I will not oppose your application for Adminship (however I won't support it either). If Fred can be an Admin I guess you can too. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] You have my support too. [[User:Danny|Danny]] ---------- Fred Bauder’s charges pertaining to bias are also baseless. To get an idea see the debate on the talk pages of Communist state and China. Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/search/mailsig/*http://search.yahoo.com> - Faster. Easier. Bingo.