--- Tom Parmenter <tompar(a)world.std.com> wrote:
Reply way down at the bottom.
|From: Anthere <anthere6(a)yahoo.com>
|Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 06:53:20 -0800 (PST)
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|Note: forwarded message attached.
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|Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 06:49:35 -0800 (PST)
|From: Anthere <anthere6(a)yahoo.com>
|Subject: [WikiEN-l] The MIT vandal is back
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|To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.com
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|On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:32:27PM -0800, Zoe
wrote:
|>> It's the exact same wording as the text
inserted
|by the MIT >>vandal. I asked the person inserting
it
|to give us some >>information to prove the
assertion,
|and I asked if it was true >>for the entire world,
or
|only certain cultures. The person >>declined to do
|so.
|
|>The information is not misogynistic, it is true.
|Labelling >this person a vandal does a disservice
to
|the Wikipedia. The >traditional treatment in the
West
|for hysteria was for the >doctor to massage a
womans
|genitals by hand until she got some >relief. The
most
|extreme forms of hysteria are not seen very >much
in
|modern times; some attribute this to a greater
|interest >in giving sexual satisfaction to women.
The
|milder forms of
|>hysteria still abound; if males have a propensity
for
|hysteria, >it is socialized out of them at a very
|young age.
|
|>Jonathan
|
|Interesting comment Jonathan
|
|Made me think of what Clement Rosset says about
|passion and hysteria...
|
|He usually approaches notions by paradox, and
studied
|fallacious causes of suffering, in particular the
|generally accepted idea by which love is the main
|passion. He says love becomes a passion only when
it
|ceases aiming at a real person, but rather toward
an
|person or an object absent or unreal. Becoming a
|passion makes it cease being love. Passion would be
|the stuborn research of misfortune (or
unhappiness),
|and as such be related to hysteria.
|
|It's interesting Zoe is fighting so much against
the
|addition ''more women than men suffer from
|[[hysteria]]''...There's no article on hysteria on
|wikipedia by the way.
|
If we had an article on hysteria it would be
described as a
discredited 19th century diagnosis closely tied to
the sexual
repression of women that nonetheless was a major
stimulus to Sigmund
Freud's thinking. No one is diagnosed as hysterical
today and much of
Freud's thinking is regarded as historically
important but
non-scientific at this point.
Ah ???
Wellll...
First, let's say I had the opportunity to spend more
time than I would have liked in a couple of
psychiatrist hospitals (not for me :-)), and to speak
to more than one psychiatrist in the past 15 years.
The given diagnosis involved the words "hyst�rie",
"n�vrose" and "bouff�es d�lirantes", and hysteria
certainly was a word I heard more than once from the
doctors...and it was also clearly associated with "you
know, she is very lonely...".
But...they don't appear to massage women genitals to
help cure the problem any more :-) (I didnot know that
was done at some point)
However, you will understand I hope that I am not
entirely convinced when you say no one is diagnosed
with hysteria anymore.
Of course, "hysterical" is still very much in use here
too (but maybe is it a non-politically correct word in
the us ?), especially given by men to feminists (with
the very rude comment : "if she had a real man to fill
her up more often, she would not make so much noise")
It's interesting that when people want to slip in
something dubious,
they start with the phrase "It's interesting . . . "
If you want to
state that someone is being hysterical here, say so
and take the
consequences.
What is the dubious thing you want to slip here then ?
Do you imply I was accusing both Jonathan and Zoe of
being victims of hysteria ? If so, say it clearly
please
The other disputed diagnoses, histrionic personality
disorder, etc.,
are more common among women (in the west), just as
antisocial
personality disorder is more common among men, but
the diagnosis of
hysteria is simply not given to either men or women.
Then, I am doubly interested (without any slip) in
someone writing an article on hysteria, for it is
clear to me that french people are still suffering
from it but not english people. And, here, I truely
have no explanation (and imply nothing more than what
I just said)
Anthere
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