On 12/14/05, David Gerard <fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au> wrote: Yes, I left notes for them all. Even the guy who deleted the article about Brolly (not the same guy as the first deleting editor) while I was cleaning it up.

On 12/14/05, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic(a)gmail.com> wrote: Oh I don't hang around jawing, I undelete as the undeletion policy allows. I checked, and not one of those articles is unverifiable. They all clearly have plenty of context. Of these, I don't think any of them are deletion candidates, otherwise I would have listed them.

Mark Gallagher wrote: I would not allow this one. There's been a few band deletions of Australian indie bands who *of course* they aren't on bloody allmusic, because it's essentially a US site. So one has to wade in and fix things. - d.

G'day Mgm, WP:MUSIC isn't the be-all and end-all. A band may be included because it's very unusual, or culturally significant, or any number of reasons I'm too tired to think of right now. For instance, I believe we have an article on a Melbourne twee pop outfit called Clag. Now, Clag only released one album ... but for a time there they were *very* popular in Melbourne's indie music scene. Their music is also extremely unusual: about as twee as twee pop can get without becoming nursery rhymes. Also, it's really good. But that's neither here nor there. I'd oppose deletion of this band's article (I will be most hurt if anyone takes the opposite view solely because of WP:BEANS). However, there are thousands of bands out there with the same or less of a profile who are, and should be, deleted. WP:MUSIC is *generally* a good guideline. There was a new user on AfD recently who opposed deletion of every band iff WP:MUSIC was mentioned by the nominator or a voter (if a nominator attempts to argue for deletion without mentiong WP:MUSIC, by the way, there's often something wrong). I am not nearly so extreme. But just because a band fails to meet the "notability guidelines" doesn't mean we should delete it. It's not a bad argument for doing so, admittedly. -- Mark Gallagher "What? I can't hear you, I've got a banana on my head!" - Danger Mouse -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/200 - Release Date: 14/12/2005

On 12/15/05, Mark Gallagher <m.g.gallagher(a)student.canberra.edu.au> wrote: I believe such guidelines are effectively a good guide for keeping, not deletion. If we could have a speedy keep criterion for the topic, and so forth. In other words, if the WP:MUSIC guidelines spit out 'Yes, is notable', we should pretty much always keep the article. However, if the article fails WP:MUSIC, it is not an automatic delete, since other factors might make the article worthwhile. -Matt

MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote: You wouldn't think so from the nominations! Or be otherwise significant. When I spot one on AFD I can usually bring the article up to scratch, e.g. [[Exserts]]. Original version: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Exserts&oldid=11642117 Version after I saw it on AFD: current. - d.