What people seem to forget: NPOV is not a suicide pact. NPOV is great, normally, but call a spade a spade. Except for the delusional, Osama Bin Laden *is* a terrorist. Except for the delusional, Mugabe, Mobutu, Qaddafi, Stalin, Lenin, and Pol Pot...ARE dictators. Frankly, when it comes to representing reality or keeping to NPOV...I choose reality, thanks. I refuse to follow in the footsteps of Walter Durant. John Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_zltMsOJiopaSMN2cNKO3Uw)" --Boundary_(ID_zltMsOJiopaSMN2cNKO3Uw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree 100% with Fred. 172 is in the process of whitewashing the bio of every dictator who has ever lived. Robert Mugabe is being portrayed as a victim of colonial oppression, he's never done anything bad in his life, apparently. The only person on Wikipedia who seems to have ever done anything wrong in Hitler, and I'm surprised we haven't let Nazis come in and make him out to be a hero. After all, saying that he's responsible for the deaths of millions of people is POV. RickK Fred Bauder &lt;fredbaud(a)ctelco.net&gt; wrote: In our efforts to be politically correct we are unable to describe al-Qaeda as a terrorist organization or East Germany as a totalitarian regime. Thus we distort reality and drift off into a fantastic world where there is no black and white, no values and ultimately a rather poor encyclopedia that can't be trusted. Fred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online --Boundary_(ID_zltMsOJiopaSMN2cNKO3Uw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-comments: Conversion error: %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000 <DIV>I agree 100% with Fred.&nbsp; 172 is in the process of whitewashing the bio of every dictator who has ever lived.&nbsp; Robert Mugabe is being portrayed as a victim of colonial oppression, he's never done anything bad in his life, apparently.&nbsp; The only person on Wikipedia who seems to have ever done anything wrong in Hitler, and I'm surprised we haven't let Nazis come in and make him out to be a hero.&nbsp; After all, saying that he's responsible for the deaths of millions of people is POV.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>RickK<BR><BR><B><I>Fred Bauder &amp;lt;fredbaud(a)ctelco.net&amp;gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt; wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">In our efforts to be politically correct we are unable to describe al-Qaeda<BR>as a terrorist organization or East Germany as a totalitarian regime. Thus<BR>we distort reality and drift off into a fantastic world where there is no<BR>black and white, no values and ultimately a rather poor encyclopedia that<BR>can't be trusted.<BR><BR>Fred<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p><hr SIZE=1> Do you Yahoo!?<br> Yahoo! Finance: <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=22055/*http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.… your refund fast by filing online</a> --Boundary_(ID_zltMsOJiopaSMN2cNKO3Uw)-- _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l