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John Robinson

14 Jun 2004 14 Jun '04

2:35 a.m.

Speaking of which, it would be nice for stewards to have the ability to check those logs in these cases. Our developers seem to be overworked as it is. -- mav

Seconded, definitely. I've bugged Tim Starling quite enough already about these, and I doubt I'm alone in that. -Hephaestos

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Rick Schwarz

14 Jun 14 Jun

3:07 a.m.

IP lookups for stewardsIs it just me or did anyone else have a problem reading John Robinson's posted message? Rick Schwarz (aka Misterrick)

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Fennec Foxen

3:27 a.m.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:07:27 -0400, Rick Schwarz <misterrick(a)verizon.net> wrote:

IP lookups for stewardsIs it just me or did anyone else have a problem reading John Robinson's posted message?

Well, it is in a miniscule font. =b He said:

Speaking of which, it would be nice for stewards to have the ability to check those logs in these cases. Our developers seem to be overworked as it is. -- mav

Seconded, definitely. I've bugged Tim Starling quite enough already about these, and I doubt I'm alone in that.

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Angela

16 Jun 16 Jun

3:10 a.m.

Daniel Mayer wrote:

>Speaking of which, it would be nice for stewards to have the ability to check >those logs in these cases. Our developers seem to be overworked as it is. >-- mav

If a new system is implemented whereby IPs are stored in the database and not just in the log files, I would have no objection to stewards having access to these. However, until then, I do not support stewards being given access to the same logs that the developers currently have to check for IPs. Firstly, it would be largely a waste of time as they are too large to search through efficiently, and secondly, they include details of not only page saves, but also page views. This would be too much of a privacy violation if stewards had that sort of information. Angela.

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Daniel Mayer

4:48 a.m.

--- Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Daniel Mayer wrote:

>Speaking of which, it would be nice for stewards to have the ability to

check

>those logs in these cases. Our developers seem to be overworked as it is. >-- mav

If a new system is implemented whereby IPs are stored in the database and not just in the log files, I would have no objection to stewards having access to these. However, until then, I do not support stewards being given access to the same logs that the developers currently have to check for IPs. Firstly, it would be largely a waste of time as they are too large to search through efficiently, and secondly, they include details of not only page saves, but also page views. This would be too much of a privacy violation if stewards had that sort of information.

Goodness no - I wasn't thinking about giving stewards the key to the castle - (they would probably get lost and break the fine china). Just a viewing room (which I hope some developer will build for us -- which reminds me of my tip jar idea and Erik's software bounty concept...). -- mav __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Mark Richards

4:57 a.m.

New subject: IP records of page views?

Angela - can you explain / point to where this is explained? Having this information more readily available seems a lot more sinister. Mark --- Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Daniel Mayer wrote:

>Speaking of which, it would be nice for stewards

to have the ability to check

>those logs in these cases. Our developers seem to

be overworked as it is.

>-- mav

If a new system is implemented whereby IPs are stored in the database and not just in the log files, I would have no objection to stewards having access to these. However, until then, I do not support stewards being given access to the same logs that the developers currently have to check for IPs. Firstly, it would be largely a waste of time as they are too large to search through efficiently, and secondly, they include details of not only page saves, but also page views. This would be too much of a privacy violation if stewards had that sort of information. Angela. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Angela

7:09 a.m.

New subject: IP records of page views?

Mark Richards wrote:

Angela - can you explain / point to where this is explained? Having this information more readily available seems a lot more sinister. Mark

The only information on it that I am aware of is what is written in the draft privacy policy. See http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_privacy_policy#Private_logging. This example of what is logged shows a user's IP, user-agent, the page they viewed and the time they did it: 12.345.67.890 - - [16/Jun/2004:07:10:19 +0000] "GET /wiki/draft_privacy_policy HTTP/1.1" 200 18084 "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/85.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/85.5" These are available to the people listed on http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developer with at least shell access. The logs are not kept permanently (about two weeks according to the draft policy). Angela.

--- Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Daniel Mayer wrote: > > >Speaking of which, it would be nice for stewards > to have the ability to check > > >those logs in these cases. Our developers seem to > be overworked as it is. > > >-- mav > > If a new system is implemented whereby IPs are > stored in the database > and not just in the log files, I would have no > objection to stewards > having access to these. However, until then, I do > not support stewards > being given access to the same logs that the > developers currently have > to check for IPs. Firstly, it would be largely a > waste of time as they > are too large to search through efficiently, and > secondly, they > include details of not only page saves, but also > page views. This > would be too much of a privacy violation if stewards > had that sort of > information. > > Angela.

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Mark Richards

17 Jun 17 Jun

2:21 a.m.

New subject: Why log page views?

Why do we keep logs of page views by IP address at all? Thanks Mark --- Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Mark Richards wrote:

Angela - can you explain / point to where this is explained? Having this information more readily available seems a lot more sinister. Mark

The only information on it that I am aware of is what is written in the draft privacy policy. See

http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_privacy_policy#Private_logging.

This example of what is logged shows a user's IP, user-agent, the page they viewed and the time they did it: 12.345.67.890 - - [16/Jun/2004:07:10:19 +0000] "GET /wiki/draft_privacy_policy HTTP/1.1" 200 18084

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump"

"Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/85.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/85.5" These are available to the people listed on http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developer with at least shell access. The logs are not kept permanently (about two weeks according to the draft policy). Angela.

--- Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Daniel Mayer wrote: > > >Speaking of which, it would be nice for

stewards

> to have the ability to check > > >those logs in these cases. Our developers

seem to

> be overworked as it is. > > >-- mav > > If a new system is implemented whereby IPs are > stored in the database > and not just in the log files, I would have no > objection to stewards > having access to these. However, until then, I

do

> not support stewards > being given access to the same logs that the > developers currently have > to check for IPs. Firstly, it would be largely a > waste of time as they > are too large to search through efficiently, and > secondly, they > include details of not only page saves, but also > page views. This > would be too much of a privacy violation if

stewards

> had that sort of > information. > > Angela.

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Fennec Foxen

2:32 a.m.

New subject: Why log page views?

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:21:30 -0700 (PDT), Mark Richards <marich712000(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

Why do we keep logs of page views by IP address at all?

Vandals? Vandal-bots? Sockpuppet detection? General protection against undesirable activity? To generate pretty webalyzer statistics?

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Mark Richards

2:46 a.m.

New subject: Why log page views?

I can understand page EDITS, but why VIEWs? Mark --- Fennec Foxen <fennec(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:21:30 -0700 (PDT), Mark Richards <marich712000(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

Why do we keep logs of page views by IP address at

all? Vandals? Vandal-bots? Sockpuppet detection? General protection against undesirable activity? To generate pretty webalyzer statistics? _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Nikola Smolenski

12:21 p.m.

New subject: Why log page views?

On Thursday 17 June 2004 04:46, Mark Richards wrote:

I can understand page EDITS, but why VIEWs?

I think it's not technically possible right now to log only edits. You may want to fix your mailer. You may want to fix your mailer. You may want to fix your mailer. You may want to fix your mailer.

--- Fennec Foxen <fennec(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:21:30 -0700 (PDT), Mark > Richards > > <marich712000(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Why do we keep logs of page views by IP address at > > all? > > Vandals? Vandal-bots? Sockpuppet detection? General > protection against > undesirable activity? To generate pretty webalyzer > statistics?

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Mark Richards

2:47 a.m.

New subject: Why log page views?

I can understand page EDITS, but why VIEWs? Mark --- Fennec Foxen <fennec(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:21:30 -0700 (PDT), Mark Richards <marich712000(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

Why do we keep logs of page views by IP address at

all? Vandals? Vandal-bots? Sockpuppet detection? General protection against undesirable activity? To generate pretty webalyzer statistics? _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Tim Starling

3:25 a.m.

New subject: Why log page views?

Mark Richards wrote:

I can understand page EDITS, but why VIEWs? Mark

We keep the apache (or squid) logs. We don't filter them into edits and views, we just compress them and stash them away. Most websites do this. They're handy for all kinds of reasons. -- Tim Starling

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Jimmy O'Regan

3:02 a.m.

New subject: Why log page views?

Mark Richards wrote:

Why do we keep logs of page views by IP address at all? Thanks Mark

All web servers (at least should) do this. It's nice information to have if you want to generate statistics, find out who is linking to you, etc

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Angela
Daniel Mayer
Fennec Foxen
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John Robinson
Mark Richards
Nikola Smolenski
Rick Schwarz
Tim Starling