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James Farrar

18 Jan 2009 18 Jan '09

2:54 p.m.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spide…

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Wilhelm Schnotz

18 Jan 18 Jan

4:25 p.m.

Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) is not going the way you want it to. I don't see your comments on it as far as I can tell, as it is not yet closed can we avoid canvasing on the mailing lists? My suggestion to you, go post your opinion and explain why those images should be kept on wikimedia commons. That will do more good then posting here. (If you have posted there I apologize, but it is still silly to complain until after the discussion is closed) On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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James Farrar

5:03 p.m.

2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz <wilhelm(a)nixeagle.org>rg>:

On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spide…

Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) is not going the way you want it to. I don't see your comments on it as far as I can tell, as it is not yet closed can we avoid canvasing on the mailing lists? My suggestion to you, go post your opinion and explain why those images should be kept on wikimedia commons. That will do more good then posting here. (If you have posted there I apologize, but it is still silly to complain until after the discussion is closed)

[IFYPFY] (1) I'm not canvassing. (2) I haven't contributed because I've given up on deletion discussions. (3) I'm not complaining, just remarking in disgust. Let all elements of fun in Wikipedia be expunged!

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Wilhelm Schnotz

5:13 p.m.

You obviously have not given up on the discussions if you care enough to tell us all about it. :P On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz <wilhelm(a)nixeagle.org>rg>:

On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spide…

Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) is not going the way you want it to. I don't see your comments on it as far as I can tell, as it is not yet closed can we avoid canvasing on the mailing lists? My suggestion to you, go post your opinion and explain why those images should be kept on wikimedia commons. That will do more good then posting here. (If you have posted there I apologize, but it is still silly to complain until after the discussion is closed)

[IFYPFY] (1) I'm not canvassing. (2) I haven't contributed because I've given up on deletion discussions. (3) I'm not complaining, just remarking in disgust. Let all elements of fun in Wikipedia be expunged! _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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James Farrar

5:18 p.m.

2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz <wilhelm(a)nixeagle.org>rg>:

On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz <wilhelm(a)nixeagle.org>rg>:

On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spide…

Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) is not going the way you want it to. I don't see your comments on it as far as I can tell, as it is not yet closed can we avoid canvasing on the mailing lists? My suggestion to you, go post your opinion and explain why those images should be kept on wikimedia commons. That will do more good then posting here. (If you have posted there I apologize, but it is still silly to complain until after the discussion is closed)

[IFYPFY] (1) I'm not canvassing. (2) I haven't contributed because I've given up on deletion discussions. (3) I'm not complaining, just remarking in disgust. Let all elements of fun in Wikipedia be expunged!

You obviously have not given up on the discussions if you care enough to tell us all about it. :P

[IFYPFY, again]. Oh, fuck off.

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Alvaro García

5:19 p.m.

Watch your language -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:18, "James Farrar" <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz <wilhelm(a)nixeagle.org>rg>:

On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz <wilhelm(a)nixeagle.org>rg>:

On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spide… > Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) is not going the way you want it to. I don't see your comments on it as far as I can tell, as it is not yet closed can we avoid canvasing on the mailing lists? My suggestion to you, go post your opinion and explain why those images should be kept on wikimedia commons. That will do more good then posting here. (If you have posted there I apologize, but it is still silly to complain until after the discussion is closed)

[IFYPFY] (1) I'm not canvassing. (2) I haven't contributed because I've given up on deletion discussions. (3) I'm not complaining, just remarking in disgust. Let all elements of fun in Wikipedia be expunged!

You obviously have not given up on the discussions if you care enough to tell us all about it. :P

[IFYPFY, again]. Oh, fuck off. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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James Farrar

5:26 p.m.

2009/1/18 Alvaro García <alvareo(a)gmail.com>om>:

On 18-01-2009, at 14:18, "James Farrar" <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz <wilhelm(a)nixeagle.org>rg>:

On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz <wilhelm(a)nixeagle.org>rg>: > On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spide… >> > Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) is not > going the way you want it to. I don't see your comments on it as > far > as I can tell, as it is not yet closed can we avoid canvasing on > the > mailing lists? > > My suggestion to you, go post your opinion and explain why those > images should be kept on wikimedia commons. That will do more good > then posting here. > > (If you have posted there I apologize, but it is still silly to > complain until after the discussion is closed) [IFYPFY] (1) I'm not canvassing. (2) I haven't contributed because I've given up on deletion discussions. (3) I'm not complaining, just remarking in disgust. Let all elements of fun in Wikipedia be expunged!

You obviously have not given up on the discussions if you care enough to tell us all about it. :P

[IFYPFY, again]. Oh, fuck off.

Watch your language

[IFYPFY as well.] I'm sorry if it offended you, Alvaro, but when someone is deliberately winding me up, I find that is the best possible reply.

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Alvaro García

5:31 p.m.

It didn't offend me, I just find it inappropriate. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:26, "James Farrar" <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Alvaro García <alvareo(a)gmail.com>om>:

On 18-01-2009, at 14:18, "James Farrar" <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz <wilhelm(a)nixeagle.org>rg>:

On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz <wilhelm(a)nixeagle.org>rg>: > >> On 1/18/09, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spide… >>> >> Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) is not >> going the way you want it to. I don't see your comments on it as >> far >> as I can tell, as it is not yet closed can we avoid canvasing on >> the >> mailing lists? >> >> My suggestion to you, go post your opinion and explain why those >> images should be kept on wikimedia commons. That will do more >> good >> then posting here. >> >> (If you have posted there I apologize, but it is still silly to >> complain until after the discussion is closed) > > [IFYPFY] > > (1) I'm not canvassing. > (2) I haven't contributed because I've given up on deletion > discussions. > (3) I'm not complaining, just remarking in disgust. > > Let all elements of fun in Wikipedia be expunged! > You obviously have not given up on the discussions if you care enough to tell us all about it. :P

[IFYPFY, again]. Oh, fuck off.

Watch your language

[IFYPFY as well.] I'm sorry if it offended you, Alvaro, but when someone is deliberately winding me up, I find that is the best possible reply. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Thomas Dalton

5:36 p.m.

[IFYPFY as well.]

What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you are replying to when you quote them...

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Alvaro García

5:37 p.m.

Hehe, I did the same and thought the same. I was going to ask him too. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:36, "Thomas Dalton" <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

[IFYPFY as well.]

What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you are replying to when you quote them... _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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James Farrar

5:40 p.m.

2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>om>:

[IFYPFY as well.]

What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you are replying to when you quote them...

I've been rearranging the contributions of the ignorant top-posters.

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Thomas Dalton

5:52 p.m.

2009/1/18 James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com>om>:

2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>om>:

[IFYPFY as well.]

What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you are replying to when you quote them...

I've been rearranging the contributions of the ignorant top-posters.

Ah, I long ago gave up trying to stop people top-posting on this lists.

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Alvaro García

5:58 p.m.

My iPod puts the answers in the top, there's where they'll stay. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:40, "James Farrar" <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>om>:

[IFYPFY as well.]

What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you are replying to when you quote them...

I've been rearranging the contributions of the ignorant top-posters. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Wilhelm Schnotz

6:08 p.m.

The reason why it is top posted is because that is the default action that google mail does. As I am writing from a mobile device, it is impossible for me to change that default. (google mobile mail hides comments on the assumption that you can just scroll up through the mail history.) So for me, in this instance, I have no choice. On 1/18/09, Alvaro García <alvareo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My iPod puts the answers in the top, there's where they'll stay. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:40, "James Farrar" <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>om>:

[IFYPFY as well.]

What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you are replying to when you quote them...

I've been rearranging the contributions of the ignorant top-posters. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Alvaro García

6:17 p.m.

Yeah, Gmail and the iPhone/iPod touch built-in e-mail client put the answers on top; it's much more intelligent, because in this way, you don't have to scroll all the way down to see what has been answered. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 15:08, "Wilhelm Schnotz" <wilhelm(a)nixeagle.org> wrote:

The reason why it is top posted is because that is the default action that google mail does. As I am writing from a mobile device, it is impossible for me to change that default. (google mobile mail hides comments on the assumption that you can just scroll up through the mail history.) So for me, in this instance, I have no choice. On 1/18/09, Alvaro García <alvareo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My iPod puts the answers in the top, there's where they'll stay. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:40, "James Farrar" <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>om>:

> [IFYPFY as well.] What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you are replying to when you quote them...

I've been rearranging the contributions of the ignorant top-posters. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Thomas Dalton

6:43 p.m.

2009/1/18 Alvaro García <alvareo(a)gmail.com>om>:

Yeah, Gmail and the iPhone/iPod touch built-in e-mail client put the answers on top; it's much more intelligent, because in this way, you don't have to scroll all the way down to see what has been answered.

If we want to cater for people with extremely small screens, maybe, but I think most people read their email on a decent sized computer screen. There should be no need for any of them to scroll down to read this reply. If people are over-quoting, then that's another issue entirely. Even if you do have a small screen, Gmail hides quoted text by default, do other clients not? Google will find you numerous explanations of why top-posting is a bad idea, so I won't bother explaining it again here.

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Wilhelm Schnotz

6:56 p.m.

Gmail mobile hides all quotes. However from a mobile device using google mobile, I am unable to change the setting from top post to anything else. I can't even copy paste my response to the bottom of the mail because I can't "see" the comments, so I have no way to post "under" them. On 1/18/09, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2009/1/18 Alvaro García <alvareo(a)gmail.com>om>:

Yeah, Gmail and the iPhone/iPod touch built-in e-mail client put the answers on top; it's much more intelligent, because in this way, you don't have to scroll all the way down to see what has been answered.

If we want to cater for people with extremely small screens, maybe, but I think most people read their email on a decent sized computer screen. There should be no need for any of them to scroll down to read this reply. If people are over-quoting, then that's another issue entirely. Even if you do have a small screen, Gmail hides quoted text by default, do other clients not? Google will find you numerous explanations of why top-posting is a bad idea, so I won't bother explaining it again here. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Thomas Dalton

4:32 p.m.

2009/1/18 James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com>om>:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spide…

You care less about Wikipedia because some people on Commons aren't entirely sure of the law so see the need to go through standard procedure in order to decide what to do?

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michael west

5:09 p.m.

2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>

2009/1/18 James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com>om>:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spide… You care less about Wikipedia because some people on Commons aren't entirely sure of the law so see the need to go through standard procedure in order to decide what to do? _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

It's certainly a lil off topic for this list but it does raise some real questions about international law. Who breaks the law and when? In the UK viewing a picture online deems me to have created it. If I take a picture from commons which is about to be deleted and upload it from a country like the UK which has copyright laws to protect architects and Marvel comics but probably not in the instance would the picture have merit? It reminds me of making tea on the Jewish Sabbath, transferring hot water from one vessel to another so that it isn't seen to be hot enough to cook the tea or coffee. m

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geni

6:26 p.m.

2009/1/18 James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com>om>:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spide…

Existing copyright law is not wikimedia's fault. -- geni

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