I think ironic statements such as the above are bound to happen in AfD discussions with the current reputation of wikipedia in the community.

G'day Ilmari, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Resonance_%28M… I note, though, that neither you nor anyone else who has commented or is likely to comment here has seen fit to add your voices to the AfD in question. AfD is doomed: it doesn't, and can't, scale. But its only *current* problems are social. And those problems won't be solved if the people who can recognise the issue and lend a hand aren't willing to get in there and do something about it. Don't like what someone says on AfD? *Point it out to them*. Most people, even on the Internet, tend to be smart enough to recognise it when they're told they're being silly by enough people. You obviously feel strongly about the opinions expressed there --- so why not, instead of/in addition to complaining here, also tell them so on the AfD? This is especially important as Crzrussian has recently become an administrator. He intends to be heavily involved in the deletion process. It's too late to revisit the RfA, so y'all have a choice --- he can be a good admin, or he can routinely fuck up anything related to deletion he comes across. I suspect the former is much more likely if everyone here who typically complains about this sort of thing is willing to *educate*, as well as bitch. -- Mark Gallagher "What? I can't hear you, I've got a banana on my head!" - Danger Mouse _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Excellent point. Many people whinge about articles for deletion on this forum but few people vote.

For the record, I think the Articles for Deletion process gets things right most of the time. In my view, there are much fewer problems than with speedy deletion. I am yet to be convinced that there is a better process than articles for deletion.

I can't load any afd day page, my system can no longer handle it, it's an old '98 firefox running PIII. Those day pages are simply far too large now, for me, and if I may, from my perspective I'd like to suggest that perhaps we need to think about stopping the transclusion. Maybe that would also have the advantage of forcing people to think about which discussions they are going to vote on. Also, perhaps the afd listing could link to the article rather than the discussion, so we could guarantee someone would have to look at the article before commenting at the deletion debate.

The day system has its advantages, if only to make it easier for closing admins to deal with a debates more than five days old by closing a day's worth at a time.

Oh, ok. Well why not just add categories to the existing subpages? Say, [[Category:Science articles for deletion]] onto all science-related AfDs.

AfD is doomed: it doesn't, and can't, scale.

Maybe it's just me, but I think that this current system is fine because as of now, (for most articles) we get enough votes either for '''Keep''' or '''Delete''' and it is not a hassle for users to vote.

G'day Ilmari, I note, though, that neither you nor anyone else who has commented or is likely to comment here has seen fit to add your voices to the AfD in question.

G'day Ilmari, I note, though, that neither you nor anyone else who has commented or is likely to comment here has seen fit to add your voices to the AfD in question. AfD is doomed: it doesn't, and can't, scale. But its only *current* problems are social. And those problems won't be solved if the people who can recognise the issue and lend a hand aren't willing to get in there and do something about it. Don't like what someone says on AfD? *Point it out to them*. Most people, even on the Internet, tend to be smart enough to recognise it when they're told they're being silly by enough people. You obviously feel strongly about the opinions expressed there --- so why not, instead of/in addition to complaining here, also tell them so on the AfD? This is especially important as Crzrussian has recently become an administrator. He intends to be heavily involved in the deletion process. It's too late to revisit the RfA, so y'all have a choice --- he can be a good admin, or he can routinely fuck up anything related to deletion he comes across. I suspect the former is much more likely if everyone here who typically complains about this sort of thing is willing to *educate*, as well as bitch.