Its very different, those are biographic articles.
*David J. Edmondson* (born 1960 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960>) is an
American <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>
businessman<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Businessman>who was the chief
executive officer <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_executive_officer> and
President of RadioShack <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RadioShack>, one of
the largest retailers of consumer
electronics<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronics>cs>.
In February 2006, Edmondson resigned his position at RadioShack after it was
revealed that he had misstated his academic record on his résumé.
[
1]<http://www.forrelease.com/D20060220/200602201551PR_NEWS_USPR_____DAM0…
is a longtime resident of Southlake,
Texas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southlake%2C_Texas>.
* He is notable for being a chief executive officer alone, not some random
employee. he had fake credentials, thats additional info but that itself
isn't article worthy on its own.
*George O'Leary* (born 17 August <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_17>
1946 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946> in Central Islip, New
York<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Islip%2C_New_York>)
is the head football <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football> coach
for the University of Central
Florida<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Central_Florida>da>.
Before that, he served as the head coach at Georgia
Tech<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Institute_of_Technology>and
was briefly an assistant coach for the Minnesota
Vikings <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Vikings> of the
NFL<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL>
.
* Football coach, I cant even relate. Never the less, notable for being a
football coach.
*George Carlton Deutsch III* was a press officer of the United
States<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>space agency
NASA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA>. He was appointed to the position
by George W. Bush <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush>, having
previously worked in the Bush/Cheney 2004
campaign<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_presidential_campai…
Room" and on the 55th Presidential Inaugural Committee.
* He is notable for being a press officer alone, not some random employee.
Maybe that article should be deleted since the position doesn't feel notable
nor does the incident he was involved with.
*Quincy Thomas Troupe*, Jr., born 22
July<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_22>
1939 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939>, in St
Louis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Louis>is>,
Missouri <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri>, is a
poet<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poet>et>,
editor <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editing> (recently the Styx River
Magazine<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Styx_River_Magazine&a…)=edit>),
journalist <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist>, and professor
emeritus<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_emeritus>at the
University
of California, San
Diego<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California%2C_San_Diego…go>,
in La Jolla <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Jolla>,
California<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California>
.
* An actual professor (unlike Essjay :P) I can't relate. University
professors are often notable. Look how many books he has written! So he had
a fake diploma for 3 decades... That's additional info but not article
worthy on its own.
All 4 of these people are notable enough to have bio articles. If Essjay
ever becomes notable enough to have a bio article, we can add this
controversy to it then. I am unsure if it would be worth it though.
I think Jimbo should just delete it since AFD is broken.
- White Cat
On 6/27/07, Gregory Kohs <thekohser(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
From: "White
Cat" <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com>
Headline on CNN right now is "Poll: War support at new low" do we have an
article of this poll? We write articles on events unless they are notable
enough for the entire year rather than day.
A notable event would be Jimbo deciding to shut down the site (wikipedia)
for example which would IMHO only be notable enough to be mentioned on the
article on [[Wikipedia]]. Probably the coverage would be one or two lines,
max a paragraph. Not a full article, that can be on wikinews (maybe).
Essjay
incident however isn't even worth a single line mention on article
namespace.
I also think that Essjay article is in violation of the spirit of "right
to
vanish". I do not particularly ''like'' Essjay but this mocking of
him
even
bothers me. I ask myself this question: "will I be mistreated like him if
circumstances are right?"
- White Cat
>>>>
As long as there are
proper citations of all facts from reliable sources,
and that the subjects of these articles are welcome to contribute
statements
of their own (or point out other reliable sources) on the Discussion page
-- and that these would be fairly considered by the community in the
article's content, the article should stay. If not satisfactory to the
subject, he or she should be able to request the article's removal, too --
but only a truly impartial committee (preferably EXTERNAL to Wikipedia,
and
using standard tests of notability) should judge whether the BLP is of
"note" or not. The "Essjay controversy" is no different than:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Edmondson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_O'Leary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Deutsch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Troupe
One would rightly argue that these four all held more notable positions
than
Ryan Jordan, but the moment Jimmy Wales (the sole-/co-founder of a Top 10
website) made public record and comment about Jordan in a venerable
publication like New Yorker, that made the whole affair worthy of
inclusion
in any encyclopedia that seeks to have 2 million or more articles.
A Google search of 'Wales Jordan Wikipedia Essjay' returns 39,000 pages.
You can't put the genie back in the bottle. By comparison, a search for
'Quincy Troupe California laureate' returns "only" 10,100 pages; a
search
for 'David Edmondson Radio Shack Pacific' returns "only" 13,200 pages.
If anyone needs to be blamed for the [[Essjay controversy]] article being
in
Wikipedia, it's Jimmy Wales. He's the one who made all of the
publicity-drawing decisions that escalated this incident (elevating
someone
he knew -- or should have known -- to have inauthentic credentials to the
Arbitration Committee, hiring the same person to his for-profit firm
Wikia,
and commenting that he didn't "really have a problem with it"), other than
Jordan's initial untruth itself. Wales eventually sincerely apologized
for
his mistakes. I commend that. But, it's another thing altogether to
suggest that the next remedy is to remove the article. If there are
39,000
pages floating around on the web about this topic, then clearly citizens
of
the world will seek out Wikipedia for the encyclopedia's version of the
story, for years to come. What would it say to have nothing there, and a
ban on recreating the article?
--
Gregory Kohs
Cell: 302.463.1354
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