Alison was a member of cyberstalking for a brief period. I was referring to that mailing
list, not investigations. My relaying of her comments is accurate. Talk to her if you
doubt me. I have, sitting in front of my eyes, her "resignation" email,
addressed to wpcyberstalking(a)wikia.com, FFS! Stuck onto the bottom of that is your email
lambasting Krimpet!
Oh, and your recollection of certain other events isn't entirely accurate either.
"First, I had almost nothing to do with the investigations list and have virtually no
knowledge of it". This is, in fact, simply not true. I have in front my eyes a fair
few of your posts to that list, which nicely display you fully aware of that list and
actively participating in the merry "sleuthing". My picture is crystal-clear -
my own eyes! 5 or 6 posts? Ok, not massive, but really quite busy.
Now, I fully accept that the somewhat negative picture of wpcyberstalking I've built
up may not be entirely fair. This is the problem with incompetent secrecy - people like
myself wind up with false notions. By keeping everything SO very hush-hush you've
created more problems for yourself than you've solved. When bad things happen the rest
of us, shivering in non-clique cold, automatically assume the worst. Transparency is the
mother of acceptance. Imagine if the wikichix mailing list had been kept secret. Can you
imagine the fury that would have been then unleashed by man's latent distrust of
woman? As it is, everyone's fine with it. Same situation here.
Right. Now, final thing. You aren't to blame for everything, but you are responsible
for quite a lot. IMO you've become a net drain, with more drama being caused than
problems solved. We're all sick of it. For all the good you've done - in the name
of God - go!
CM
P.S - that list that's wound up on Wikipedia Review of wpinvestigations-l's
membership. Please believe me when I say I did not email WR, though that is recognizably
the same list I'd let certain "trustworthy" people know of (oh dear, how
awful that phrase sounds). Someone forwarded it to WR without my consent - not that
I'm overly fussed, I'm afraid. Now the smoke and mirrors have been dispensed of,
we can communicate in a spirit of greater integrity.
Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:53:39 +0000
From: dgerard(a)gmail.com
To: wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: Re: Missed Opportunities to have avoided the Durova Case
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: SlimVirgin <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com>
Date: 27 Nov 2007 20:06
Subject: (offlist) Re: [WikiEN-l] Missed Opportunities to have avoided
the Durova Case
To: David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>
David, would you or one of the other moderators please forward this
reply to the mailing list?
Sarah
From: Christiano Moreschi <moreschiwikiman(a)hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Nov 27, 2007 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Missed Opportunities to have avoided the Durova Case
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Oh? I remain to be convinced. Why, then, did Durova think it quite
alright to post her evidence to !! to this list? Why do we have good
people, like Krimpet, being attacked on this mailing list? Why do we
have two of our finest, Thatcher131 and Alison (now a CU), signing up
to this list and then rapidly unsubscribing when they find it wasn't,
after all, that it was cooked up to be. In fact, Alison memorably
described it as chock-full of "bitterness, anger and wikipolitics". Oh
dear.
How do you know Alison said this? Are you aware that she has stated
clearly she was not a member of the list?
And why, then, did we think it quite alright to set up a bastard child
to wpcyberstalking, wpinvestigations-1? This little list I know quite
a lot about - I've seen some truly bizarre and quite terrifying
conversations, including some posts that make you wonder how on earth
something like the block of !! didn't happen a lot earlier. Sockpuppet
paranoia, investigation obsession, weird suggestions for the CUs
galore - it's got the lot, baby. In fact, Thatcher summed this
wretched list up very nicely: "...unhelpful and possible dangerous
development. Blocks and such should be
discussed and documented on Wiki whenever possible. In extraordinary
circumstances evidence may need to be kept private, but those cases
should be dealt with by Arbcom, who were elected for that purpose,
rather than a group of self-selected investigators who may lack proper
perspective."
Wikipedia is not a MMORG for SlimVirgin to play webmaster to.
Moreschi, whoever your informant is, they're not giving you an
accurate picture. First, I had almost nothing to do with the
investigations list and have virtually no knowledge of it. My
recollection is that I posted to it once, and that was recently to say
I had no interest in it. If it was more than once, it wasn't very much
more. And your description of the cyberstalking discussion group is
just plain wrong.
I'd appreciate it if you'd quit with the
SlimVirgin's-to-blame-for-everything meme that certain individuals
love to promote. Its only effect is to muddy the issues you're trying
to clarify, so it's in no-one's interests, except for the people who
grab any opportunity to attack me. I hope you're not playing to that
gallery.
I'm not a subscriber to this list, so if anyone wants me to read
replies, please cc me.
Sarah
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