On 10/6/05, Michael Turley <michael.turley(a)gmail.com> wrote: Honestly, I think that anyone who reads [[WP:3RR]] and fails to understand: "The three-revert rule is not an entitlement, but an "electric fence"; the 3RR is intended to stop edit wars. It does not grant users an inalienable right to three reverts every 24 hours or endorse reverts as an editing technique. Persistent reversion remains strongly discouraged and is unlikely to constitute working properly with others." - is too stupid (possibly wilfully stupid) to understand without falling afoul of it. As we've seen from this thread, even then they frequently can't or won't learn. - d.

On 10/6/05, Michael Turley <michael.turley(a)gmail.com> wrote: I never really noticed that. I was here for months before I read all that much of policy. There are quite a few I still haven't read and I've been an admin since June. If you have some basic common sense, and access to a trusted peer group (i.e. Kat, who *has* read all of the policy and is easy to talk to on IRC...) who also has common sense, you barely need to read the published policy. Kelly

On 10/6/05, Michael Turley <michael.turley(a)gmail.com> wrote: Well, I started without a peer group. It was a few months before I discovered the IRC channel. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if I hadn't. I probably wouldn't be here anymore; I nearly left in March over a dispute, largely brought on by my lack of understanding of How Things Work. Kelly

On 10/6/05, Kelly Martin <kelly.lynn.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: By this she means that I've spent too much time burying my head in the Wikipedia namespace and hanging around chattering instead of doing anything useful. ;-) I do think that the Simplified Ruleset should be enough policy for anyone to jump in with, and that newbies should get a lot of leeway for a while if they're genuinely trying to contribute well. The peer group is useful. For all the criticism the IRC channel gets, I've seen quite a few people talked out of poor decisions and helped with procedures and understanding of them; the immediacy of responses and the large numbers of people around does help, when there are people around who will offer good advice. (When there aren't, well... not so much.) -Kat [[User:Mindspillage]] -- "There was a point to this story, but it has temporarily escaped the chronicler's mind." --Douglas Adams

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Gerard wrote: Well, after warning someone about the 3RR because I saw that he had reverted twice in a couple hours (with some snippy edit summaries), he made the following elaborate argument that he had done nothing wrong. You can see my painful, and ultimately fruitless, attempt to explain the situation to him at [[User talk:Freemarkets]]. According to baseball rules, if one has "more than 2 strikes" called against him while at bat, that player will be called "out." In other words, each batter is "entitled" to 2 strikes before being called "out." According to Wikipedia rules, if one edits a page "more than three times" in a 24 hour period, he is subject to being blocked. How is it, then, that that rule does NOT "entitle" an editor to "three reverts" without being called out? If one must break a rule to be blocked, and one cannot break the rule without reverting more than 3 times in 24 hours, then how have I violated the rule, and how would I be subject to being banned? Further, of what use is your warning?--Freemarkets <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Freemarkets&action=edit> 11:40, 29 September 2005 (UTC) Ryan

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Gerard stated for the record: Something to add to [[WP:NOT]]: Wikipedia is not a game of baseball. - -- Sean Barrett | It is dark, and you are likely to sean(a)epoptic.com | log off the wrong account.

Wikipedia is not baseball.

Perhaps it would be easier if there was a clear idea on when something is a revert.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 geni wrote: Having "rv" or "revert" in the edit summary is a good indicator. Having a null diff is another. - -- Alphax | /"\ Encrypted Email Preferred | \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign OpenPGP key ID: 0xF874C613 | X Against HTML email & vCards http://tinyurl.com/cc9up | / \