Im not entirely keen on the beef with 24, save that his arguments and comments were sharp enough to warrant a detailed response from Jimbo on meta-- much of which read like "mine website-mine rules." I understand he made some legal threats, though I'm not sure what the real deal is. Is it that he was just a troll-adding little content? Would there be any problem (situation permitting) for user 24 to re-join the collective, as Adam and even RK have had the opportunity to do? Would it not be more practical? ~S~ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

--- Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)bomis.com> wrote: Well, that's why I asked. :-) I see. I was under the impression that EofT was a 'covert re-assimilation' and that he was doing fine for a while-- until his meds ran out. part in dialog. He calls people racists and control freaks. He postures about being interested in policy, but then he always makes it >perfectly clear that he intends to ignore any policy that he >doesn't agree with. This is quite a contradiction-- Im getting the picture. More than once, he has been accused of writing Ok-- Now I remember (just glimpses though) An appropriate response would no doubt call for more direct measures. But these have no doubt been tried. little chance of him learning how Thats a shame. Because when he was (for lack of a better word) "well," he seemed both intelligent and (somewhat) amicable, if not exactly constructive. Thanks, ~S~ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Yes, well, we can certainly talk about the "role account" idea. If it is a good one, we could adopt it. I personally am not convinced by the idea, but I also admit to have not studied it all that hard. --Jimbo

Jimmy Wales wrote: Very well, but this sort of checking should have been done in the first place. These kind of accusations are all too often completely speculative. At the same time, I think that he had some very useful ideas in that complex of articles. What can we do to get the greatest benefit from those ideas? Ec

24 can't make more than a dozen contributions without resisting his various demons, even when he's trying to play the "moderate voice." It is unfortunate that the project loses the benefit of his unique perspective and his insightful commentary as a result of the need to protect itself from his stubborn, iconoclastic side. At this point he's probably too far gone to save, and a good deal of community effort has already been expended to try to work with him. Those who believe there is value there could perhaps rework the articles into a more acceptable form. My agenda is simple: we need a community-based means of dealing with article disputes. 24 was trying to install something by fiat instead. Big hat--no cattle, as they say in Texas. Well, I don't believe the material should stand based on its own merits either, regardless of authorship, but we could spend the next two weeks trying to get everyone to agree on that. making the accusation to prove that he is. Innocent until proven guilty. first >place. These kind of accusations are all too often completely I was quite sure of my conclusions, and raised the issue first at User_talk:Mediator, where he had an opprotunity to refute it, which he did not. Beyond that, there was little I could do to check my facts, since I don't have access to the server logs. What more do you believe I should have done before raising the allegation here? --- Louis Kyu Won Ryu