2009/9/3 Al Tally <majorly.wiki(a)googlemail.com>om>: How does Wikinews cope? Would be useful to know. Y'know, we have pretty much no facillities *just for the reader*. This would be good to engage people. Would need an eye kept on it, as you note. - d.

While poking over my Google Analytics I discovered this odd thing I think they call it a "Bounce" rate ? It's supposed to measure how often people come to your *one page* and then bounce away without sticking to your site to read others related pages. That sounds like what you're talking about below. That is, do people read one page and then go away? Or do they read one page and then another 25 more in the same sitting, before the boss comes in and fires them? That kind of thing. Will -----Original Message----- From: Carcharoth &lt;carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com&gt; To: English Wikipedia &lt;wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:14 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Googley comments On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:06 AM, David Gerard&lt;dgerard(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: <snip> I thought they had things called articles they could read? :-) Seriously, some of the better portals are hard for readers to find. And I'm not sure how far some readers go beyond the articles they are reading. Page views are about the only clue there. It would be nice if the usability people found out this sort of thing, or if there were stats revealing the most popular *routes* taken by people, from say, a place like the main page. But I think that requires things like cookies and privacy concerns might weigh against such things, though if some readers could be persuaded to have their browsing session "recorded", that would be very interesting. I was very pleased to see the "Featured content portal" feature very highly on one of the recent page view listings. Carcharoth _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

2009/9/4 FT2 &lt;ft2.wiki(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: +1 Brilliant! Hmm, could be good ... maintenance nightmare for BLPs stll, though. - d.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:47 PM, FT2&lt;ft2.wiki(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: One of the proposals on the strategy wiki has recommended an adjustment to talk pages. I added that perhaps the tab should be called "discussion/feedback" to encourage people who are primarily readers to let us know what they thought of an article without it necessarily sounding like they had to be knowledgeable. I'm afraid I can't link to the proposal cos I can't remember the name or whether I watchlisted it. But I imagine this kind of proposal is fairly common: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13573

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Charles Matthews&lt;charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com&gt; wrote: Indeed. A very intelligent friend of mine said he often finds the talk page as interesting as the article itself. He described them as a 'Talmudic commentary'. I keep meaning to make sure that I always read the talk page after scanning an article but I don't seem to have implanted that idea in my head with sufficient rigour yet, I tend to forget. I've sometimes used the talk page to list research resources that I've used that I don't feel would be quite right to put as external links on the article itself.