Oh give me a fucking break and stop lying.
"If you construct your messages with meaning and civility,
they will be readily accepted onto the mailing list, regardless of
what you are arguing. This moderation is to maintain respectful
conversation on the mailing list, not to censor your views."
Been there. Seen that. Once you have "moderated" someone, they're never
heard from again. It doesn't matter if they send a one-line "I agree with
user X" email, it NEVER fucking makes it through moderation.
This is ALL about censorship. You do it solely to ensure that dissent is
never heard, the exact same thing you did to Marmot for dissenting about the
way Admins cover up each other's crimes.
I'll freely admit that YOU could construe what I said as personal attacks.
You know what? They were also the truth. Just as what I'm saying NOW is the
truth, but you'll try to ban me for it anyways.
That's why I'm anonymous. Because I don't trust 90% of this list's
membership not to go hunting through the Wikipedia userbase trying to find
my account and block it out of spite.
Civility will be had when you start behaving civilly yourselves. The way you
have treated Yoder, the way you have treated Marmot, and the way you treated
Kurita77 were anything BUT civil.
Oh wait, I forgot. Policy only fucking matters when there's an admin
wielding it. And heaven forbid that a user point out when the Admins are
acting like a bunch of power-mad thugs, or even come to this list with a
good-faith request to get their account back.
"I may be forced to make mailing list subscriptions by
approval only, which would have the effect of hindering community
participation in the mailing list. As I'm sure you appreciate how
undesirable an outcome that would be, I'm sure you will respect my
requests."
You've already destroyed community participation on the mailing list, so I
don't see how I could do any more damage than you've already done. Like I
just said, you'll get my respect back when you stop acting like a bunch of
power-mad thugs and start acting like Wikipedians again.
A.Nony Mouse
From: Mark Ryan <ultrablue(a)gmail.com>
Reply-To: Mark Ryan <ultrablue(a)gmail.com>,English Wikipedia
<wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] SHOWCASING Abuses of Admin Power
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:57:17 +0800
For the public record, this user is not "booted off the list". Rather,
he or she is mdoerated, with postings to be approved by moderators.
Here is an email I sent to this anonymous user:
----
You (and your other two accounts) have been moderated on WikiEN-l
because you were rude and abusive to others. The WikiEN-l mailing list
information page is at the following URL:
http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
You must have seen this page to subscribe your accounts to the mailing
list. You will notice down the bottom it says "[u]sers who are
extremely disruptive or uncivil may be banned from the mailing list by
the [mailing list] administrators". As I am sure you will freely
concede, your messages were very rude towards certain other
subscribers of the mailing list. Here are a couple of examples from
your messages:
"you are nothing but a fascist hag anyways"
"Give Gerard my regards if you can be bothered to stop fellating him
long enough to speak."
"running around like a complete fat fool"
"you idiots spend your time jerking off"
"power-mad cretins"
In view of this extreme lack of civility on your part, you are hereby
moderated on this mailing list. Any messages you now send to the
mailing list will be held for approval by one of the list's
moderators. If you construct your messages with meaning and civility,
they will be readily accepted onto the mailing list, regardless of
what you are arguing. This moderation is to maintain respectful
conversation on the mailing list, not to censor your views.
If, however, you continue to create new anonymous accounts (we're up
to 3 now), I may be forced to make mailing list subscriptions by
approval only, which would have the effect of hindering community
participation in the mailing list. As I'm sure you appreciate how
undesirable an outcome that would be, I'm sure you will respect my
requests.
~Mark Ryan
WikiEN-l Mailing List Administrator
On 7/2/05, A. Nony Mouse <tempforcomments3(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Whoops! Looks like somebody didn't like the
truth told of them, they
booted
me off the list for speaking truth to power.
You wanted abuse of power? There you have it JT.
Seems to happen a lot around here and on Wikipedia. Speak truth to the
circle-jerk of power mad fools known as Admins, get booted.
Ambi is the Red Queen of arbcom - running around like a complete fat
fool,
screaming "Orf Wiv is 'ead"
whenever a case comes before her. She gets
some
sadistic pleasure from it I'm sure.
The rest of ArbCom isn't any better. Never do they actually talk to
anyone
involved in a case. Never do they let little
things like facts get in
the
way of their witch hunts.
Ambi posts up a message that her say-so ought to be considered basis
enough
for banning Marmot, whose only crime was exposing
the Adminship
self-protection racket for what it was, and you all just sit there
applauding.
I think you proved Marmot's case FOR him.
An arbitration request comes up and someone adds an extra name to it,
and
all of a sudden the original name on the
arbitration request isn't even
MENTIONED in the final verdict and an innocent user who (and I checked
the
log to be sure) has not used a single naughty
word is banned.
Yoder gets caught in an infinite ban loop by an Admin who was involved
in
his case, and you idiots spend your time jerking
off saying "well you
shouldn't have crossed an admin" and calling him names rather than
paying
attention to what was going on. And you're
STILL DOING IT.
And then there's what you did a couple days ago to Kurita77. A new user
comes in, reads the tutorials, makes edits, and you ban him for the
crime of
knowing too much? I was watching that. Poor kid
didn't do anything wrong
but
you spent your time harassing him, one of you
sends him crank emails,
and
before you know it we have a user screaming
profanities.
Not his fault. YOUR fault.
There's a reason I post these sentiments anonymously. It's because you
power-mad cretins would like nothing more than to get ahold of anyone
who
dares to speak the truth about you around here.
You'd ban my Wikipedia
account just out of spite if you knew who I was. And I know you WAY too
well
for you to claim otherwise, JT.
Come on. Prove me wrong. Show some sense. Show for even ONE SECOND that
you
actually respect the policies and procedures of
Wikipedia.
Biting the newbies, attacking anyone who's not part of your inner circle
jerk, and insulting new users once you've bitten them isn't doing you
any
favors.
A. Nony Mouse.
>>
>and your a sockpuppet but that's beyond the point, I would be
interested
in
>seeing an iota of proof of any of these
accusations, that would support
>your case, and the case of the longwinded Nathan J. Yoder much better
than
these
unceasing tireless rants.
-Jtkiefer
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