Trying to enter this conversation is like hopping on a merry go round ... spinning at 1000 km/hr.
 
First off, we should stop using the label "deletionists" as it maligns and inaccurately portrays what folks are genuinely are doing in good faith -- seeking better editorial quality and to further trust in Wikipedia.  It's no more fair than calling people abortionists or supporters of euthanasia "suicidists."  Lets find another label.
 
Second, people are demonizing VfD and the process when the alternative is far worse - deletion wars, having to dig back into ost edit histories, resurrecting conversations, etc. 
 
VfD clarifies -- it tries to quantify and clarify the will of the community.  It provides a firm deadline, which humans respond to.  It provides a unified forum for discussion on the entire range of topics in Wikipedia (and by extension, humankind).  It is pointed to by boilerplate text added to articles, which shows up in peoples' Watchlists.  The signal to noise ratio is quite good -- obvious deletes get deleted, and obvious keeps get kept.
 
It's one of the few places where one can feel "in touch" with the pulse of what happens in Wikipedia.  It's the last stop between quality and chaos.  This is especially true for folks who believe in Wikipedia as a place with quality editorial content and worthy of reader trust, and not as an attic for all things under the sky.
 
So I would argue "Wiki is not paper" is not a good enough to justify the tremendous reach of adding all victims of all tragedies in the history of the universe.  Yes, being paper-based limits what to put in a paper encyclopedia.  But what's more important to the editors of those encyclopedias is good judgment, fostering trust between the publisher and reader, and the pursuit of "the truth."
 
 
-Fuzheado
 
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From: wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 10:43 AM
To: English Wikipedia
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Rampant Deletionism

Well, if people feel that there is a space for Wikipedia in these devotionals, and others that there is not, there is no middle ground, and therefore what is there to discuss?
 
Why shouldn't they be in the encyclopedia?  Because they make Wikipedia look bad.  People look at these articles and say, "How can they claim to be a serious encyclopedia when they have articles about how someone is beloved by their dog?"
 
RickK

Jimmy Wales <jwales@bomis.com> wrote:
Rick wrote:
> My opinion is the same as yours. Such articles have no place on
>Wikipedia.

Is your opinion the same as Gareth's that further discussion is
worthless? I hope not, and I hope he'll change his mind about that,
too.

I'm interested in hearing about just *why* you think such articles
"have no place on Wikipedia". What's the harm? How does it
negatively impact us?


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