On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 07:43, Delirium wrote:
Sheldon Rampton wrote:

> Mark Pellegrini wrote:
>
>> Erik wasn't half right when he said Plautus is not reformable. He's 
>> driving
>> away good users (Evercat and Finlay McWalter, just to name two), and 
>> wasting
>> enormous amounts of contributor time. If Wikipedia is to become 
>> popular on
>> the scale that many of us would like to see, the system needs to be
>> reformed. Just what does it take to get banned from this place?
>
>
> I think the underlying problem here is that Jimbo has stepped back a 
> bit from his role as "benevolent dictator," referring this kind of 
> decision to the arbitration committee. The problem is that the 
> arbitration committee can't move quickly enough to deal with problem 
> users like this one.
>
> One solution might be to designate a few trusted individuals as 
> volunteer "judges" -- people to whom Jimbo in his capacity as dictator 
> grants the authority to take action instantly, if they feel conditions 
> warrant. The decisions of judges, of course, would be subject to 
> review by the arbitration committee, and a judge who repeatedly abuses 
> his authority would have it revoked.
>
> As a matter of policy, I think "judges" should not be allowed to 
> simultaneously sit on the arbitration committee, so that we have some 
> separation of powers.

Well, if this is done, I'm not sure why we'd really need the arbitration 
committee.  Just to rubber-stamp judge decisions?

I'd feel a little more comfortable with a more streamlined arbitration 
committee, which would basically be your judge idea but with multiple 
people voting, and a lag-time of a few days (I don't think having 
someone unbanned for, say, 3-4 days is the end of the world---it's the 
2-3 weeks that's the problem).  But there's understandably tension 
between "the arbitration committee should publicize at length the 
rationale for its decisions" and "the arbitration committee should work 
quickly".  There's only so many in-depth decisions that a group of 
volunteers are going to write per week.

I hope the new edit-war policy will actually get rid of some of the 
immediate problem, because anyone will be able to temp-ban people who 
violate it.

-Mark

First a confession. I very nearly blocked Plautus Satire, without even
reviewing any of his edits. None of you can punish me more than I
punish myself for this. The desire to block Plautus was mostly
motivated by reading about users I respect feeling pain at his
remaining on wikipedia, and a wish to relieve that pain; but a
new-found appreciation of my deficiency at fighting vandalism was
also a minor factor.

Nevertheless, that was a deplorable motivation for such an act, and I
am most ashamed at myself for even contemplating it.

After some soul-searching, I can only offer the following recommendation:

Change the arbitration process so that once the committee decides to
hear a case for banning, the ban takes effect immediately, and the
decision is about whether to overturn the ban, or not.

Even if this is an imperfect solution, and will have real negative
effects, I honestly think it is the realistic option most likely
to effect the changes in the wikipedia working environment
ambience we all devoutly wish.

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (aka Cimon Avaro)