Fox News picks up Reuters story regarding the late French composer Maurice Jarre:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519283,00.html
Reuters interviewed Shane Fitzgerald, the Irish student who made up the false quote on Jarre's Wikipedia biography.
Your thoughts???
William King
(Willking1979)
What do we do with vandalism now?
1) Warned the user
2) Repeat vandalism results in a block for the user / IP
3) Persistent pattern of vandalism is escalated to WP:ABUSE which reports the matter to the IP owner concerned.
People in the past have been sacked by their employers for abusing Wikipedia and school kids have been disciplined.
Criminal sanctions takes it a step higher of course, but it's a tool open to us and I think we should consider using it when we can and when it's appropriate. You're probably right that this isn't exactly the right case - but I still think it's quite shocking and damaging to our reputation to hear a fairly mainstream British magazine bragging about vandalism in this way.
We reality is we haven't managed. We have an appalling reputation for vandalism - rightly or wrongly - and worse, a reputation that we simply don't care about vandalism. Particularly for BLPs, I would say this is the number one issue we have to deal with to safeguard our future. We need to take it more seriously and we need to change what we do. Personally I think criminal sanctions should be part of this.
There's also a broader reality here about the way the internet is changing. For years the internet was an anarchic place full of anonymous and untraceable users and zero policing. This has changed quite fundamentally in the last few years. Popular webpages use real names. People are sacked for writing things on facebook. Spammers and child porn users have been jailed. Bulletin board users have been sued for libels they've written. The "real world" and the "virtual world" are coming together in a way that was unimaginable five years ago.
In that context, the idea of prosecuting persistent or high-profile Wikipedia vandals shouldn't be out of the question.
Andrew
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From: "Andrew Gray" <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk>
To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Friday, 17 April, 2009 11:36:28 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Rod Liddle, Spectator, on his Wikipedia article
2009/4/17 Oldak Quill <oldakquill(a)gmail.com>:
> I'm not sure why we're discussing legal options. Even if there were
> legal avenues open to us, it would be silly to pursue them.
I endorse this comment entirely. It seems a little surreal to read
some of the discussion in this thread, which whilst no doubt
interesting from an academic perspective, doesn't sit very comfortably
with our normal practice!
We've managed fine for eight years without suing people who do
breaching experiments. Suddenly arguing we ought to change this in the
case of someone who probably didn't do one as such anyway is a little
uncharacteristic...
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- Andrew Gray
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Nice comment on this article:
"Some say that all software loaded on a local machine will soon be
obsolete, so it's not a problem with Encarta, but with technology. I
wonder if Wikipedia will be here 10 years from now, with it's
long-winded entries, when Twitterpedia tells me everything I need to
know in 140 characters or less. You should read the Twitterpedia
version of the Peloponnesian War. Soon, that's all we'll be able to
comprehend, 140 characters or less.
"(okay, there is no Twitterpedia,... not a real one, anyway.)"
So. Who's going to start Twitterpedia?
- d.
In a message dated 5/5/2009 11:10:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
saintonge(a)telus.net writes:
> Twitter and the short attention span of those who
> favour it turn historical insight into inanity. Linking the "wine-dark
> sea" to the later Peloponnesian Wars already separates us from its
> association with the death of Patroclus in the Iliad.>>
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Even in the post-Twitter world, any given person will still recite nursery
rhymes and song lyrics entire. There is something to be said for that sort
of human ability.
Will
Little Boy Blue come blow your horn
The sheep's in the meadow the cow's in the corn
And where's the little boy who looks after the sheep?
He's under the haystack fast asleep.
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It will probably spam your mailbox with third-party ads.
Fayssal F.
> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:09:16 +0100
> From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikialarm
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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>
> Well, yes, but it claims to be free. I guess they start charging later?
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:56 AM, <wjhonson(a)aol.com> wrote:
> > Business Model: ?We'll tell you when someone changes your page, and you
> > pay us for doing that.
> >
> >
> > Will
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com>
> > To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Sent: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:54 pm
> > Subject: [WikiEN-l] Wikialarm
> >
> > Spotted on another mailing list:
> >
> > http://wikialarm.com/
> >
> > "Don't let your company get caught out in a damaging online reputation
> > management situation or even a Wiki Circularity disaster ? signup to
> > wikiAlarm today and safeguard your reputation on the Internet?s most
> > popular information channel. "
> >
> > http://wikialarm.com/home/why/
> > http://wikialarm.com/home/how/
> >
> > They seem to be doing this in a responsible way, providing the
> > following links:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations
> >
> > I wonder what their business model is?
> >
> > Carcharoth
> >
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In a message dated 5/5/2009 12:31:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ft2.wiki(a)gmail.com writes:
> - user#217869: pov warring!!
> - @83476238 not so!
> - @217869 is so!!
> - @83476238 not so!
> - @both: u blocked 24 hrs 3rr>>
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Redundant. I suggest replacing the 100 most common responses with code
numbers.
Will
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In a message dated 5/5/2009 12:43:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ft2.wiki(a)gmail.com writes:
> Skip the [[....]], not needed. All uppercase or numbers following a TP:
> (or
> equivalent one character symbol)... or even forbid all uppercase except as
> used in links....
>
> FT2>>
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I'll see you and raise you one.
Any message following a ":"
That way you can also drop the TP
Will
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In a message dated 5/5/2009 12:42:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ft2.wiki(a)gmail.com writes:
> It raises the interesting philosophical question, when is the meaning in
> the
> message, and when is it in the decoder? And what if it's in neither or
> both?>>
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The problem is wetware. I suggest mandatory brain implants.
Will
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In a message dated 5/5/2009 10:49:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
alex.public.account+ENWikiMailingList(a)gmail.com writes:
> *Add to calendar*
> Peloponnesian War
> Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:31pm>>
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Wikinews: "Gmail achieves extra powers: predicts Grecian War"
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