In a message dated 2/5/2008 8:54:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
tstarling(a)wikimedia.org writes:
A proposal to ban all depictions of people and
animals would be laughed at by both sides.>>
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Open the door a crack and they will push it open until it falls off its
hinges.
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On 2/5/08, Rich Holton <richholton(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> All question of censorship aside, does it really make sense to have any
> image of historical persons that is not based on the actual likeness of that
> person on any page except [[depictions of...]] pages?
>
> Maybe there are a few exceptions, where a particular depiction has become
> universally identified with the subject. But that's not the case with most
> historical figures, Jesus and Muhammad included.
>
> Many, many depictions of Jesus look very European, which doesn't seem to be
> encyclopedic to me. But there's also a trend lately to have other depictions
> of Jesus that are targeted to a particular audience, without any concern for
> historical accuracy. This may be fine in liturgical settings, but not in an
> encyclopedia. But this is only more obviously wrong than a more
> "historically accurate" depiction. They're both still wrong.
>
It's worse than that. We still have no overarching policy that would
give us even *slight* guidance on what kind of imagery we should
include on wikipedia beyond the licensing issues and vague talk
about quality. There is no equivalent of NPOV for pictures worth
a damn.
Let's say we would like to have an image illustrating an article
about Andy Warhols depictions of Marilyn Monroe, to pick a silly
one with as few attached strings as possible. Which one of the
ones he printed would be appropriate? Any of them? Should we
have at least two, to give an idea of the variation between them.
Should we depict fakes? Does it matter what the resolution of
the images is? Assuming there would be no licensing issues...
Should we be guided by what Andy Warhol himself considered
his best copy of the Marilyn Image? Or by the auction price for
a particular copy? Or the preponderance of critical opinion on
what the most Ur-Marilyn-Copy is?
Really it would help to approach images by starting with the
cases that aren't so loaded with controversy. If you want to
make progress unraveling difficult issues, start unraveling
at a point where you can unravel at least a few loops.
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
A web browser specifically designed for reading Wikipedia. (As opposed
to AutoWikiBrowser, which is a web browser specifically designed for
editing Wikipedia.)
http://hackyourday.com/2008/02/05/a-new-way-to-browse-wikipedia/
Has anyone used this? What's it like for the experienced Wikipedia editor?
- d.
In a message dated 2/6/2008 1:29:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mbimmler(a)gmail.com writes:
It would probably be more effective to email such complaints to
wikien-l-owner at lists dot wikimedia punto org next time...>>
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The problem being, in this case, such an address is not obvious unless you
already know it exists.
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http://www.agranews.comhttp://www.agranews.com My Indian news site
'Agranews' ( link www.agranews.com) is under the list of newspapers from
india in english. But there is nothing more( no description or no link)
I dont know how to put some description like ( Latest and current news from
India) and my link with 'Agranews'
Honestly I tried many times but it was off immidiately. I want if some one
can put description and link
with 'agranews'. I will be very thankful for this help.
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Would you be willing to post to the list that the moderator needs to
review moderated postings?
There is a backlog several days old.
In a message dated 2/5/2008 7:34:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
richholton(a)gmail.com writes:
Right, we accept verifiability, not truth. But we work pretty damn hard not
to educate people with things that we know *not* to be true.>>
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Refactor to remove the word true.
We make sure that things which lack any evidence, are not presented as if
they had evidence.
Is that what you mean?
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I agree with Chris that it isn't racist.
As an example, a while ago there was a debate that went something like that.
A:You're a bigot because you hate gay people.
B: Well you're a bigot because you hate me for hating gay people. Bigotry
is hatred, and you hate me.
Anyone who is supporting the idea that Wikipedia should act differently in
the case of the image of Muhammed, should analyze the above argument for where
it fails.
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In a message dated 2/5/2008 6:22:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com writes:
WP does in fact do just this with asteroids,m where the number that
have been identified is very much larger; however, people keep trying
to delete those combined articles.>>
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People try to delete "List of fattest humans"
It's a critical mass (excuse my expression), once you get a few dozen people
fighting to preserve articles on lists of asteroids, it'll stick around.
Will Johnson
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